link?
I missed the Saber episode,:sadsmile: nice stallion :yes:; can someone please post a link:confused:?
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It’s time for people to lighten up a bit.
This is how good GM is:
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I had to watch it twice. When he said “AND NOW I’M GOING TO GALLOP HIS HOOVES OFF.” I started laughing too hard to hear anything else…
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No way…any info online? Did he neglect a horse? Why would he still be our Chef/Coach???
Found today on COTHBB:
Advanced Search POSTS: Morris Neglect
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh…ct#post2872163
My case against George, Hunterdon and Chris has been cited on several threads over the years…some have been “retired”. I was under oath on the stand for almost 2 days in Federal Court. It lasted 2 1/2 week but felt like forever. The case was divided into two parts…One to establish Negelct leading to the death of Grande Saber and Second to establish the monetary award.
The first part was enough to kill me. The Jury returned a Unanimous Decision - GUILTY of Neglect. I couldn’t bear to go throught the second part of the trial and settled with the insurance company. I am not aware of George being out of pocket for anything during the trial. You would be amazed that I had more liability insurance than Hunterdon Inc, George and Kappler!
The USEF was notified of the case upon the verdict as Chris was nominated Horsemen of the Year 2003. The only news coverage came from the Trenton Star-Ledger although editors of equine journals were informed of the lawsuit which took several years to get to Court. This case created a tense undercurrent among trainers as there were more than a few prominent trainers holding their breaths as they followed the proceedings.
The 2 1/2 week Jury Trial was heard in Federal Court In Trenton,New Jersey presided by the most Senior Judge of the Court…the Honorable Anne E. Thompson presiding. : October 2003 Action Number 00-6258 (AET) :
The Unanimous jury verdict found George Morris, Hunterdon,Inc and Chris Kappler NEGLIGENT in the DEATH of Grande Saber.
As part of the verdict, the Judge directed Morris Hunterdon and Kappler to return Saber’s equipment including his halter…that never happened.
Kappler was the 2003 Horseman of the Year.
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Chris Kappler and GM are now operating under new legal entities and I believe Hunterdon,Inc retired since they are not insurable due to the conviction of neglect.
I do not have a site with any details…but you can always email me. :sadsmile:
Thanks for your complement about my boy…he’s been a great sire.
Joan Watt
have to agree with you.
I don’t necessarily like the way he framed the comment (we prefer things that take a little intellect to be insulted by), but I’d rather be told than be let do it the wrong way, in any situation.
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have to agree with you.
I don’t necessarily like the way he framed the comment (we prefer things that take a little intellect to be insulted by), but I’d rather be told than be let do it the wrong way, in any situation.[/QUOTE]OMGiH, could this be the tri-color for Oldest Bump Ever?
I noticed how old the thread was too… but since the poster only had 9 posts under her/his belt maybe they should just get reserve 
I wouldn’t not ride with GM because of his bullying of the riders.
I would not ride with GM because I think he asks tricky questions in his clinics (such as halt in a 12’ one stride) that are counter productive from a training standpoint and serve only to “prove” his point that people can’t ride, at the unnecessary expense of the confidence of both horse and rider when unable to answer a ridiculous question.
Or he has riders pull up to the base of a Liverpool and halt, then has a chat for 30 seconds with the rider, and then has the rider smack the (now zoned-out, patiently waiting for the humans to be done chit chatting) horse behind the saddle to “teach it to go forward to the Liverpool”.
One of my trainers and his trier of a horse got sent for a flip trying to do what the man said.
So I’ll pass, because I don’t like to ask my horses unfair or unnecessary questions, and I don’t like being expected to smack them suddenly after thirty seconds of standing obediently in park as I just requested. I also do not trust him not to ask me to do something that could send me and my horse for a crash.
Bullying me is a lower priority than the first three, but I suppose it is the fourth reason I won’t ride with him.
I have made plenty of progress and developed some really lovely horses with “lesser” trainers without asking my horses trick questions, whacking them randomly, getting sent on a suicide mission, or being called an idiot.
Welll ohhhh I hate to jump on this train…consider this more of a general personal preference of mine “i would rather have my feelings hurt than my horse or chances at a ribbon.” very rarely can all 3 escape with out at least a minor flesh wound.
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I have made plenty of progress and developed some really lovely horses with “lesser” trainers without asking my horses trick questions, whacking them randomly, getting sent on a suicide mission, or being called an idiot.[/QUOTE]
You are officially my favorite person in the COTH Forum, for this. Even a 3 1/2 year hiatus between posts on this thread was worth waiting for, to hear it articulated in this way.
Old thread but there are plenty of tough trainers out there that can get their point across with out resorting to insults.
Also I think GM needs to retire. He will tell his riders to do an incredibly difficult exercise and berate them should they make a mistake, instead of providing constructive criticisms to help the rider improve (the entire point of riding in a clinic)
The man has contributed an enormous amount of knowledge to our sport, but he is clearly burnt out and needs to retire. Maybe keep the Horsemastership clinic.
I almost feel I shouldn’t add to the old thread, but I read things like the posts above, and can’t help feeling as though I must have been tricked when I thought I was riding with GM himself. And shame on me, it happened twice! I took my green, sensitive mare to two clinics with him, and never felt bullied, tricked or sent on a suicide mission. I also didn’t feel once that I unfairly got after her on his direction, and that is coming from someone who is far more likely to ignore a mistake than punish the horse for it. Either I ride with GM’s doppleganger (based on the descriptions of the absolute ogre he’s supposed to be), or maybe he’s just gentler with us Canadians???
Thread was resurrected (now deleted) by the same person so creeped out by a shirtless boarder picking out his horse’s pen. Sigh. “Go with your gut, girl” (sarcasm font)
I have nothing against GM but what I dislike it’s his legacy of imitators. Many trainers not as gifted or “charming” copy his style to the detriment of his students and staff.
I have to say most of those who are horrified by GM’s teaching methods, would never have survived the 60’s , Back then if you were that sensitive you would not have been riding and showing in this sport , but then again back then it was sport and tough was a requirement.
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I have to say most of those who are horrified by GM’s teaching methods, would never have survived the 60’s , Back then if you were that sensitive you would not have been riding and showing in this sport , but then again back then it was sport and tough was a requirement.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, but at this point I think GM knows he is God, so he likes to toy with us and watch us peons sweat and squirm :lol:
Every year I watch the live feed of the Master Horsemanship Clinic, and while I do get valuable info from watching it, I find myself wondering why the accomplished riders participating waste their time with it. The riders already train with the best, they have already accomplished more than many ever will, and they go along with being publicly belittled? It isn’t about them, it’s about making GM look cool.
Every year when he singles out a rider and essentially tells him/her that she is stupid and can’t ride I can’t help but want to be able to say to him: “NO, they don’t suck, and they have already proven that.”
I hope none of them believe those remarks… It’d be a shame. The idol worship is the root of the problem, while I agree with meupatdoes that he does a lot of ridiculous things, he does have just as many good things to offer, however he can’t seem to offer them without involving his ego. It does sound like his smaller clinics are much nicer, but when the spotlight is on he definitely shows his true colors.
I’m not going to comment on GM’s style of teaching, but as one who learned to ride during the late 50’s and 60’s, and showed extensively in the 60’s and 70’s, I was never bullied or berated. Had I been, and being a sensitive and introverted person, I’d probably be knitting now instead of still riding horses.
I’ve watched the horsemanship clinic for several years and have never seen “bullying”. Ive seen harsh criticism after a rider makes the same mistake repeatedly because they don’t follow directions as to what jump to go to and in what pattern. I’ve always thought he’s been extremely complimentary to those riders in that clinic.
I always enjoy these threads…
I wouldn’t ever ride with him simply because I can’t understand what he’s saying anymore. So I would likely be called a lot of things but it wouldn’t matter because I wouldn’t be able to hear it anyway!
So I’ve often wondered this. I’ve ridden with some BNT (not GM - and have no desire to be yelled at by him). Some of these BNT were from the older crowd, so just a bit younger then GM and others are from a new generation. And what I wonder is why the older generation of trainers feel the need to yell, reduce riders to tears, ridicule? I’m not riding with people who have the Olympics in mind, most time they are either young pre-teens or teens who just love horses and competing, or they are adult re-riders.
Yes the last BNT had many of us in tears at the end, but he did push us past our fears. More because we were more scared of him then the jumps or the height he pushed us to. But the risk behind that is to turn someone off riding, and have them just shut down completely.
I struggle with a trainer telling you to do something, you may not get it right - but your trying and your ridiculed for not doing it correctly, told your not listening. Well its not that I’m not listening, but you have 20 odd years of bad riding to change, if you think its as easy as oh you said do it that way. Well bam changed it, fixed it.
I know they are passionate about what they do, and maybe its just set in their ways… but its not a way to mentor the new coaches. Fear based teaching doesn’t help anyone. Just kind of curious as to why that method… maybe thats the only way they knew then?
