GM is nothing but a bully.

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You completely misinterpreted what I was saying, which has to do with a specific instructor and things that he has said to people/students, either myself or others I have witnessed firsthand. Maybe he’s mellowed in the past 10 years, I don’t know. His facebook rants don’t give that impression.

I’m glad you’re a super rider who has made up some fabulous horses and lived in a trailer. Good for you. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about, and I’m really unclear on whether you’re trying to convince ME or you’re trying to convince YOURSELF that you’re stellar and have made all the “right” decisions.

It’s certainly clear that ego is not a problem for you, though, so I guess there’s that battle won.[/QUOTE]

Really, you were responding to Denny Emerson’s specific advice that you need to come from money, give up a $100k job and buy a $75k competition horse? Because I am on his feed too and I see him bitching about people who just buy high dollar horses that they have no idea how to develop themselves.

Did I miss the part where Denny Emerson came from money and just shelled out for tip top horses and this was his recipe for success?

Because my interpretation is that, #1., he does the math. Riding does not care if you only have time to ride twice a week because you have other commitments. If you aspire to be very good you will not get there on that schedule. This is just how it is,athough there is nothing wrong with dabbling in horses and not making it a priority to steer a horse around a sand ring better. The same way people bowl once a week with their friends and don’t really care if they have perfect technique. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever, but if you want to become an above average bowler you have to put in above average time and effort.

#2. I really do not see where Denny’s message is that everyone needs to just buy a money horse, because most of his rants are focused on lack of development of young horses and people wanting an insta horse. The first hurdle in horse ownership is getting the basic expenses covered: the stall,the vet and farrier, enough training to ensure you make progress. Once that is covered, any one can do sale horses. If they are willing to ride babies and reinstall the basics again and again then gradually you can climb up the quality ladder with what is in that stall you are paying for. Of course sticking with your heart horse is a perfectly acceptable choice, but if sitting on something competitive is a goal the first thing you need is the ability to pay expenses on a stall, and then gradually you can upgrade one by one what you put in that stall. Board bills are the same whether the horse inside the stall is four digits or six, and if you know how to develop horses you can improve your horse flesh from four digits to six without spending more in monthly maintenance than you would on a cheap horse.

So I guess if you want to interpret Denny’s internet presence as saying you need to come from money and just buy yourself fancy horses, that is your interpretation, but I don’t think that interpretation is based on anything Denny actually has said.

His advice tells people a path they can take to climb the ladder WITHOUT being a silver spoon child and just buying megabucks horses, but his ingredients do include arranging your life so that you have the basic amount of time and resources to do so. Unfortunately there just isn’t a way to get good in two days a week or without somehow getting yourself access to at least one horse to borrow or own.

I have heard nothing but people having a good time at Denny’s adult camps. They are average riders with jobs, I think. When we sent our horse to him for lessons he was gracious and kind. He never yelled especially at the kids. He instills confidence and pushes you beyond your comfort zone that is how you improve BUT the difference with him that I see is that BASICS are required and if you do not have them that is an issue. Trendy type riding is not allowed. He, himself, shows pictures of when he was riding poorly even though he was winning.
I am hoping to bring my DD to him next summer. Our horse is a1 19 year old eventer that has stepped down. We are hoping he can instill the confidence in her to learn to event. I saw Denny work with 3 young kids a few years back for a few days and they had a blast and no one is headed to the Olympics.
If you want to be good at anything it takes a HUGE commitment… How often do athletes train? NBA, NFL or swimmers? A lot!
Denny also never says go over seas and buy a European WB. He likes homegrown…with TB blood too or Morgans…
I think his view is more accepting then GM. I have been to many GM clinics to audit. I do not have the talent to ride in one but I do come away with something. He has also mellowed a lot over the years.
My biggest fear is what happens when these guys are gone?

Thank God I"m perfectly happy being sufficiently adequate in my riding. Y’all make it sound like we’re curing cancer or something here. Sorry but if you ever noticed the true BNT don’t have time to be on these boards. Why?

BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT RIDING.

“If you want it, you’ll make it work”, is not out of touch the average adult’s reality, it is out of the average adult’s comfort zone."

Please don’t flame…but I can’t agree with the “work harder” and you can become a great rider with a great horse. This takes NOTHING away from those who gone this route and accomplished amazing things.

But there are always wildcards that can stop a young adult’s dreams. And some are pretty insurmountable and have posed major hurdles for myself or friends of mine.

  • Horses get hurt! Horses go lame! Yes, ideally you can take and make great horses, sell, and rinse and repeat. But if your horse has a career ending injury, you are then ethically responsible to take care of that animal. And that takes money.

  • The working student route is great - I did it myself and loved it and am seriously considering returning to it as an adult. But how does one pay for vet bills without an external source of income? (Insurance doesn’t always cover everything…) Adequate health insurance? Human injuries?

I’d love to throw it all in and go 100%. But another part of me cannot fathom the ethical and moral dilemmas I’d face if a horse of mine got hurt and I had no external source of income to give it the care it needs and deserves. Plus, I have spent a good chunk of my income supporting family members. I WISH I could have used that for riding. It aches to my bones.

I don’t want it any less than those have gone 100% all in. But it’s not enough, given what one of the earlier poster said, some adult responsibilities. All I can say is that sometimes there is luck involved.