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Good Guinness Missing

Hunter/Jumper
#241

[QUOTE=LearnToFly;3942749]
Okay, so the horse currently being shown as “Kanye” is actually GG. The horse that was being called “Good Guinness” is actually Con Air, according thehorse.com… A horse that has socks and a blaze? And someone is saying that the horse they imported as Kanye has socks and a blaze? And we have record of Con Air in July 08 with his owner (that’s listed on USEF) as a horse with socks and a blaze?

…So where is the real Kanye and how the heck does a horse with socks and a blaze pass as GG?[/QUOTE]
No, there appears to be more than one Con Air–the one posing as GG and the one in the USEF database (and on page 25 of the magazine PDF that someone posted). I think:confused:

Love your sig line, BTW.

#242

As much as it is SO tempting to believe, I just cannot imagine a well known rider with a permenent cloud over his head thinking he can do a bait and switch on a relatively well known GP horse with an unusual jumping style.

The question is what would be the benefit? The horse world is so small. I could see it happening if they sold the horse for all the money to, say, Australia, but how would you explain an extremely high dollar horse with no mileage? The horse was ‘leased’ right here in the US of A and shown on a winter circuit. The risk/reward ratio is WAY off.

Barney might have just done it for laughs- to see if he could get away with it, but I don’t think he would have put it in McClain’s name.

A whole lot of horses still get sold through Barney. Something like this would jeopardize a whole lot of business.

#243

I am so glad GG is going to be returned. I have dealt with the folks at Resolution before and they seemed VERY honest and unlikely to intentionally misrepresent a horse. I am sure they are embarassed and upset that this happened.

Trying to get this straight… correct me if I am wrong…

The horse at resolution IS GG (was showing as Kanye, brown with a faded/roan star and front teeth).

The horse with Frank Madden IS a horse named “Con Air” (was showing as GG, brown with solid star and missing teeth)

We think Mclain imported a horse named Kanye and that Kanye had white markings.

We have elimited the possibility of the one bay gelding listed with USEF as “Con Air” from being the one Frank’s got, because the one listed with USEF has white markings. So the horse Frank has isn’t USEF registered or at least not under the name “Con Air.”

#244

ok, crazy horse-switcharoo-scandal-scorecard:

  • Apparently "Kanye" is actually Good Guinness.
  • Both Good Guinness, and his imposter, who is registered as "Con Air" somewhere (probably in Europe) are plain bays with teeny white stars.
  • The Con Air registered with USEF, with the most recent show record, has a blaze and socks and is not related to this at all :)
  • Someone somewhere said the horse showing as "Kanye" has white socks, but that's clearly false as there are about a gazillion pictures out there of the horse, and he has none.
#245

I’ve been lurking along reading all of this. Forgive me if this sound ignorant, I’m not familiar with these higher caliber horses (TB’s my specialty), but aren’t any of these horses microchipped/branded/tattooed?

Seems that if any of them had some kind of true identifications on them (by any method) it sure would make it simpler to decipher the horses. Anyone know?

#246

[QUOTE=vxf111;3942769]
I am so glad GG is going to be returned. I have dealt with the folks at Resolution before and they seemed VERY honest and unlikely to intentionally misrepresent a horse. I am sure they are embarassed and upset that this happened.

Trying to get this straight… correct me if I am wrong…

The horse at resolution IS GG (was showing as Kanye, brown with a faded/roan star and front teeth).

The horse with Frank Madden IS a horse named “Con Air” (was showing as GG, brown with solid star and missing teeth)

We think Mclain imported a horse named Kanye and that Kanye had white markings.

We have elimited the possibility of the one bay gelding listed with USEF as “Con Air” from being the one Frank’s got, because the one listed with USEF has white markings. So the horse Frank has isn’t USEF registered or at least not under the name “Con Air.”[/QUOTE]

And I’m wondering if another switch happened and the horse that was imported as Kanye is now “Con Air” and that the horse that has been “identified” as Con Air is maybe Kanye?

#247

This whole series of extraordinary events sure makes a good case for permanent ID’ING for all show horses such as lip tatooing, or micro chip.

#248

Con Air was microchipped… that is how he was officially identified as Con Air and NOT Good Gruinness (despite living and showing as GG for 6 months).

Not sure if the real GG (aka “Kanye”) is microchipped – but microchipping would only confirm that he is GG. It wouldn’t have necessarily helped locate him in this situation.

#249

Posted by Kristin on HSS:

“all is well that ends well…it is him, he is safe. He has been leased for a year started in Sept. Earl made a HUGE MISTAKE he is devestated and Barney is one pissed of short stocky man…What happened is Earl unloaded at Barney’s and took the wrong horse to Franks. Barney’s group was expecting a black horse in on trade , and they assumed it was Guinness, and went from there. It honestly appears, no deliberate mistake was made. ******* happens and it sure did. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR HELPING US, tomorrow is Patricks birthday, and * Guinness is the best gift in the World. I have spoken to Earl, who is devestated and crying and feels horrible. I have never heard him like this, it was HIS MISTAKE, no one elses…”

#250

Ding ding ding! Someone involved in getting the real GG from point A to point B is claiming the Kanye showing in Gulfport can’t be Kanye because he claims to have been present when Kanye was imported by MW and knows the horse to have socks. So now the real GG will hopefully be home soon, the fake GG/Con Air will also hopefully find his people and I’m left wondering who the heck is the real Kanye, where is he and how did this crazy mix up go down?

#251

[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;3942712]
Con Air… oh my what a fitting name!

I don’t know how GG became Kanye but one of the players is saying, “Kanye can’t be GG, I was there when MW imported Kanye and he has white socks!”

The Kanye/GG in the pictures definitely doesn’t have white socks. Weird story.[/QUOTE]

This is what has me confused. How did the Kanye that was imported with white socks turn into the GG Kanye unless there was some crazy extra switching?

#252

I think you may just see a rash of micro-chipping and personal branding starting.

#253

Wonderful news! Still a weird story, but wonderful news!

#254

I have a feeling perhaps the info re: MW importing a Kanye may be misinformation…

#255

[QUOTE=joiedevie99;3942793]
Posted by Kristin on HSS:

“all is well that ends well…it is him, he is safe. He has been leased for a year started in Sept. Earl made a HUGE MISTAKE he is devestated and Barney is one pissed of short stocky man…What happened is Earl unloaded at Barney’s and took the wrong horse to Franks. Barney’s group was expecting a black horse in on trade , and they assumed it was Guinness, and went from there. It honestly appears, no deliberate mistake was made. ******* happens and it sure did. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR HELPING US, tomorrow is Patricks birthday, and * Guinness is the best gift in the World. I have spoken to Earl, who is devestated and crying and feels horrible. I have never heard him like this, it was HIS MISTAKE, no one elses…”[/QUOTE]

This is the best thing ever… I am so happy all was sorted out!!!

#256

Something still isn’t adding up with the explanation written on HSS.

It says that it was the shipper’s mistake, that the Wards were expecting a black horse in trade, and ended up with the real Guiness. Who they then named Kanye and leased to JR rider.

The imposter horse Con Air goes to Frank Madden’s posing as Guiness. Nobody notices, horse is shown under the name Guiness in Children’s Jumpers.

OK, but where was the horse Con Air supposed to end up? Was he the horse the Wards were expecting as a trade? A children’s jumper? Who suddenly sprouted wings, changed names, and got leased for mucho bucks to a JR to ride?

Is that plausible?

#257

Could it be that there are really only two horses involved in the switch, plus a third totally unrelated.

Hypothetically speaking, say Owner has two horses: Kanye, a bay with lots of white; and Con Air, a bay with a star. Kanye is great, has a good record. Con Air is a dud. Owner wants to lease/get rid of Con Air-- but who will pay for a dud? If Owner tried to sell Lessee on Con Air, Lessee wouldn’t want him-- Con Air has no record.

Instead, Owner talkes up Kanye, who has a decent record. Lessee goes online, see that yes-- Owner has a horse named Kanye with a record. USEF horse results don’t show the horse markings, so there’s no way Lessee would guess that Kanye has white markings. Lessee agrees to lease “Kanye.” Owner sends along dud Con Air, who he knows can be switched for GG (all the while, keeping the real Kanye at home and out of the deal).

GG arrives at Lessee’s under the name Kanye. He’s great, of course, because GG is a grand prix horse. Meanwhile, Owner has gotten rid of the dud (went to the person who was supposed to get GG) and still has his nice Kanye horse, whose name can just be changed. Owner has gone from having one good horse and a dud to two good horses.

Not saying that’s what’s happened, but isn’t that a possibility?

#258

How would a microchip have helped locate the real GG any faster? Do you anticipate trainers scanning microchips when horses arrive at their facility?

ETA – I know it would help positively identify the horses… but I’m not sure it would have helped FIND GG any faster in this situation.

Also, I assume GG was microchipped… otherwise, how did they get a positive ID so fast today?

#259

I think you may be right. It was a strange bit of info but came straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. :wink:

Happy early birthday to Patrick!

#260

I would agree, would not have helped in locating.

Would definately help in identification of the horses.

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