Here’s another thought, as I don’t believe in randomness. The person who identified the jumper in Gulfport as a possible match for GG, how likely is it that a random spectator at the shows recognizes a horse that is a plain bay gelding with a small star and no brand, just from looking at a flyer?
I think this person knows more about the real identity of Kanye than he/she is likely to admit. I don’t think this story is finished.
Holy smokes.
“donotbotherme” COTH poster of the DECADE! Come out come out wherever you are, I am sure GG’s owner wants to know who to write the thank you note to.
Lemme see if I got this straight…
The real GG, who was supposed to go to Madden, ended up at Wards, was thought to be a Kanye and was leased out as such. So “Kanye” is really Good Guinness.
The pseudo GG, who ended up at Maddens, is in fact a horse called Con Air.
So is the “real” Kanye with whoever thought they were getting Con Air?
Man I need a flow chart too…
We don’t know that Kanye isn’t Con Air. Lots of horses in the US don’t show under their registered names.
The third horse is bothersome. Where was the horse Con Air suppose to go? Isn’t someone- somewhere missing this horse? Seems like there should be another third party missing Con Air?
i’m still stuck on the whole “wait, I was there when Kanye got off the trailer after we imported him and he’s a bay with a blaze and socks”
And there is a USEF horse registered as “Con Air” that is a bay with a blaze and socks.
Something isn’t adding up, and there’s just a lot of coincidence there.
[QUOTE=2bayboys;3942849]
Here’s another thought, as I don’t believe in randomness. The person who identified the jumper in Gulfport as a possible match for GG, how likely is it that a random spectator at the shows recognizes a horse that is a plain bay gelding with a small star and no brand, just from looking at a flyer?
I think this person knows more about the real identity of Kanye than he/she is likely to admit. I don’t think this story is finished.[/QUOTE]
OR maybe they are just an honest person who possibly rides at the farm and made the connection and did the right thing… OR maybe they are connected but I would think that based on the fact that they created an acccount just to get that out they were trying to do it on the down low and if they had involvment why would they help recover the horse…
Okay- so by this you’re saying that by name only, Kanye is interchangable with Con Air. Just depends on what the horse was known by for showing purposes? That would eliminate a third horse completely? Am I following right?
Perhaps it’s the cynic in me but I agree with 2bayboys here. Something stinks.
This sounds like a “convenient untruth.” Sorry, way too big a mix up in my mind’s eye. Perhaps all’s well that ends well, but I would hope the owner/agent does a heck of a lot more digging.
[QUOTE=Marli;3942896]
Okay- so by this you’re saying that by name only, Kanye is interchangable with Con Air. Just depends on what the horse was known by for showing purposes? That would eliminate a third horse completely? Am I following right?[/QUOTE]
Yes. I’m saying that its entirely possible the horse was imported and is registered in some European breed registry as Con Air- but was never registered in the US under that name (hence no USEF/USHJA record). I know of two horses that were imported and registered under different names here- both because the owner couldn’t pronounce/hated their European names. Not saying it happened here- just saying its possible (though it doesn’t account for the Con Air with socks and a blaze).
now im curious who dontbotherme is… although i guess as the name hints (dont bother me) they dont wanna be bothered… dang that curiosity is killing me
This is like having a Twin Peaks experience!
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Yes. I’m saying that its entirely possible the horse was imported and is registered in some European breed registry as Con Air- but was never registered in the US under that name (hence no USEF/USHJA record). I know of two horses that were imported and registered under different names here- both because the owner couldn’t pronounce/hated their European names. Not saying it happened here- just saying its possible (though it doesn’t account for the Con Air with socks and a blaze).[/QUOTE]
But there are several Con Airs’ out there showing in the jumpers…I’m not sure if I am reading your question right but it sounds like other Con Airs are causing some confusion?
I actually don’t want to know. I got an anonymous tip like that which helped me I.D. HRH Avery, way back when, and was deeply grateful for it. But I know how much pressure can be brought to bear on people on the circuit to keep their heads down and their mouths shut, so to me, “dontbotherme” is an anonymous hero/heroine who should remain anonymous if s/he so desires. Even if it’s somebody I “hate”, I still salute him/her for doing the right thing here! :lol:
If you look up all the horses registered for Mclain with the USEF (and there are TONS) there is no “Con Air.”
So it could be that the horse known as “Con Air” was renamed “Kanye” by Mclain and registered under that name to show USEF.
I need a chart too. I think it’s something like this:
The Wards expected a black horse named Con Air in trade.
GG, on his way to Franks place made a stop at the Wards and the Wards assumed their black jumper in trade had arrived and renamed him Kanye.
Con Air continued his trip to Frank who assumed this black horse with a star to be GG… but where did Con Air come from? Was he already on the trailer making the trip and Earl continued with the wrong black horse?
Con Air was identified via microchip and it was noticed that he had a Holsteiner brand. The only Con Air bay gelding known to USEF has socks and a blaze.
My flow chart isn’t shaping up well, I’m more confused.
I know that almost no one ever gets held financially repsonsible for any of their actions in this industry, but the parties involved, ESPECIALLY those who sent horses off to be sold have a fiduciary repsonsiblity in this matter. Let’s not forget that GG was sent to be sold. Now 6-8 months have passed. The state of the economy has changed considerably in the last 6 months. (Even people with plenty of money have often lost a considerable amount and are generally more careful with what they have left.) The person who was leasing the real GG has spent time and money getting ready for the summer show season, I presume, now is told that the horse they had is gone through no fault of their own (or maybe gets the option of paying considerably more money).
I know that mistakes can happen during shipping, but it seems that two or possibly three horses weren’t recongized as being the wrong ones for so long???
[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;3942919]
I need a chart too. I think it’s something like this:
The Wards expected a black horse named Con Air in trade.
GG, on his way to Franks place made a stop at the Wards and the Wards assumed their black jumper in trade had arrived and renamed him Kanye.
Con Air continued his trip to Frank who assumed this black horse with a star to be GG… but where did Con Air come from? Was he already on the trailer making the trip and Earl continued with the wrong black horse?
Con Air was identified via microchip and it was noticed that he had a Holsteiner brand. The only Con Air bay gelding known to USEF has socks and a blaze.
My flow chart isn’t shaping up well, I’m more confused.[/QUOTE]
Can someone look up ownership info on the bay Con Air thats registered with the USEF and see if there was an ownership change or something of the sort around the time when the fated shipping trip happened?
So the Shipper made the mistake nothing deliberate but pretty huge… and Barney Ward was expecting a horse and thought he had gotten the right one and the one he should have gotten ended up at Frank’s where they were expecting GG and thought they had him… and Barney leased the horse he thought was his…and it looks like things are on the right path now…right?
My only Question Kanye/Con-Air…came from where?
[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;3942919]
I need a chart too. I think it’s something like this:
The Wards expected a black horse named Con Air in trade.
GG, on his way to Franks place made a stop at the Wards and the Wards assumed their black jumper in trade had arrived and renamed him Kanye.
Con Air continued his trip to Frank who assumed this black horse with a star to be GG… but where did Con Air come from? Was he already on the trailer making the trip and Earl continued with the wrong black horse?
Con Air was identified via microchip and it was noticed that he had a Holsteiner brand. The only Con Air bay gelding known to USEF has socks and a blaze.
My flow chart isn’t shaping up well, I’m more confused.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is a Con-Air (with hyphen) listed on USEF. I couldn’t pull up the record, but a Google search shows him to be a 1998 bay Holsteiner gelding who has done the jumpers.
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