Good Guinness Missing

[vxf111]

This appears to be the Wards’ side of the story…

The Wards were expecting to get a black gelding on trade (Con Air). That gelding and GG were both on the trailer. Accidentally, GG was offloaded instead of Con Air. The Wards took Con Air, renamed him Kanye (without checking very hard to see if his marking matched his papers, assuming he shipped with them, or that his brand was/wasn’t there as it should have been).

The Wards then leased Kanye to a student at Resolution, all the time not realizing that instead of a child/adult Holsteiner jumper they had a grand prix Irish horse. The horse has been at Resolution, showing, and it appears the folks there had no idea that the “Kanye” they arranged to lease from the Wards was actually GG.

This story could be more clearly confirmed by speaking with: (1) the person who SENT Con Air to the Wards [when was he sent, did he go with papers, what were the Wards told about him]; (2) the shipper [to confirm whether both horses were on the trailer at the same time, and how they got swapped]; (3) the folks who handled GG at the Wards [did they really not notice that he was far more talented than had been represented].

[tidy_rabbit]

[QUOTE=Moesha;3942939]
So the Shipper made the mistake nothing deliberate but pretty huge… and Barney Ward was expecting a horse and thought he had gotten the right one and the one he should have gotten ended up at Frank’s where they were expecting GG and thought they had him… and Barney leased the horse he thought was his…and it looks like things are on the right path now…right?

My only Question Kanye/Con-Air…came from where?[/QUOTE]

Would be very interesting to know who imported Con Air, wouldn’t it?

[Dun_Ciarain]

[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;3942919]
I need a chart too. I think it’s something like this:

• Con Air was identified via microchip and it was noticed that he had a Holsteiner brand. The only Con Air bay gelding known to USEF has socks and a blaze.[/QUOTE]

Once again, if this statement is true, I’m amazed at the carelessness that is occurring. I’m sending you an ISH, but the horse that arrives has a Holsteiner brand and no one notices??? I’m assuming that GG was being offered for a substantial amount of money. No one bothered to verify the right horse was received?

[Dispatcher]

@CoolMeadows;3942712

Con Air… oh my what a fitting name!

I don’t know how GG became Kanye but one of the players is saying, “Kanye can’t be GG, I was there when MW imported Kanye and he has white socks!”

The Kanye/GG in the pictures definitely doesn’t have white socks. Weird story.

I think Kanye, is a slurring of the name ConAir. Sort of a bastardization, if you will.

[vxf111]

I checked USEF…

There are 4 horses registered as “Con Air.” Two are gray. The other two are bay/brown. One is a stallion and seems to be in the database just for recording purposes.

The other is a gelding in NC. Sire: COMEBACK II, Dam: LA LUNA. Holsteiner blood. That SAME owner has a “Con-Air” registered with USEF, I assume it’s the same horse and somewhere along the line a decision was made to change the spelling.

There are 2 other horses registered as “Con-Air.” One of these is gray. One is the horse Gavin has in VA which we think isn’t the same horse because someone says it has a lot of white.

Which leaves the Con Air/Con-Air in NC being the likely horse involved in the current saga… only here, that “Con Air” also has white… http://www.saltblockgazette.com/files/SBjuly08.pdf

So… perhaps The Horse is wrong about “Con Air,” or that photo shows a different horse (the caption doesn’t SAY the pictured horse is Con Air, just that the owner owns Con Air)

[dab]

I really want to read this thread, but making time to read 14 pages when I have work to do isn’t going to happen – I’m hoping the Chronicle sums it all up in a story … maybe with a sidebar on microchipping –

[CoolMeadows]

@Snapdragon;3942941

Actually, there is a Con-Air (with hyphen) listed on USEF. I couldn’t pull up the record, but a Google search shows him to be a 1998 bay Holsteiner gelding who has done the jumpers.

Don’t know why but I can’t pull him up on USEF right now… gremlins or something. Gavin Moylan shows that horse and he’s a light bay, definitely not dark with a star.

The story does make sense, although still scary, if a black with star Con Air was on the trailer with GG. If not, it’s way odd.

[fordtraktor]

I can see it happening. You are looking for a black horse with a star to come off the trailer. It does. Its papers say “black horse with star.” That checks out. No one has the vet come out to run a microchip under those circumstances. Would you have?

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;3942972]
I can see it happening. You are looking for a black horse with a star to come off the trailer. It does. Its papers say “black horse with star.” That checks out. No one has the vet come out to run a microchip under those circumstances. Would you have?[/QUOTE]

If I was expecting a child/adult jumper and got a grand prix jumper. Yeah, I think I would be scratching my head and wondering “what happened”?

[Irish_Ei_s]

@LearnToFly;3942938

Can someone look up ownership info on the bay Con Air thats registered with the USEF and see if there was an ownership change or something of the sort around the time when the fated shipping trip happened?

Has anyone researched Name Change requests???
Or Alternate registries??
USEA, USDF?? USHJA?? FEI??

[CoolMeadows]

@vxf111;3942973

If I was expecting a child/adult jumper and got a grand prix jumper. Yeah, I think I would be scratching my head and wondering “what happened”?

Well in all fairness, if you’re an Olympic gold medalist, you may just think, “Damn I’m good! Childrens schmildrens, this one has more than that!” :lol:

[Moesha]

[QUOTE=tidy rabbit;3942946]
Would be very interesting to know who imported Con Air, wouldn’t it? ;)[/QUOTE]

It would! That seems to be the piece missing…the whole thing would be an ultimate horse sale comedy of errors depending on that bit of information and where the horse came from and if he was on the trailer as well?

[dainty_do]

I could see this mix-up happening. I boarded for a short time (20 years ago) at a show/sale barn where Barney would send horses to be sold. Multiple horses were always getting on and off the sale trailer. If not sold, horses would be shipped on to various other sale barns. It was like a revolving door of horses. The horses were loaded and unloaded by grooms. Nobody really knew them. Barney sold perhaps hundreds of horses a year and I doubt he rode or even knew very many of them. This is the type of thing that could happen if a horse goes off to a sale barn to be sold.

[Phaxxton]

Isn’t it possible that Con Air was never registered as Con Air in the US? Couldn’t that have just been his name in Europe? Not all imported horses keep their Euro names with USEF…

[fordtraktor]

[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;3942977]
Well in all fairness, if you’re an Olympic gold medalist, you may just think, “Damn I’m good! Childrens schmildrens, this one has more than that!” :lol:[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And GG is showing in the Low Juniors at Gulfport, it is not as if they are leased it out as a Grand Prix horse.

[Moesha]

[QUOTE=dainty do;3942981]
I could see this mix-up happening. I boarded for a short time (20 years ago) at a show/sale barn where Barney would send horses to be sold. Multiple horses were always getting on and off the sale trailer. If not sold, horses would be shipped on to various other sale barns. It was like a revolving door of horses. The horses were loaded and unloaded by grooms. Nobody really knew them. Barney sold perhaps hundreds of horses a year and I doubt he rode or even knew very many of them. This is the type of thing that could happen if a horse goes off to a sale barn to be sold.[/QUOTE]

I definitely see it happening at a big sale barn too, horses come and go and even come back like chorus line actors and the horse may have never even been seen by Barney…Mclain has to be listed as owner…remember…so he should not automatically be assumed to be involved…or even having seen the horse either…

Again I think the interesting tidbit is where the real Kanye/Con
Air came from…

[Marli]

@vxf111;3942959

I checked USEF…

There are 4 horses registered as “Con Air.” Two are gray. The other two are bay/brown. One is a stallion and seems to be in the database just for recording purposes.

The other is a gelding in NC. Sire: COMEBACK II, Dam: LA LUNA. Holsteiner blood. That SAME owner has a “Con-Air” registered with USEF, I assume it’s the same horse and somewhere along the line a decision was made to change the spelling.

There are 2 other horses registered as “Con-Air.” One of these is gray. One is the horse Gavin has in VA which we think isn’t the same horse because someone says it has a lot of white.

Which leaves the Con Air/Con-Air in NC being the likely horse involved in the current saga… only here, that “Con Air” also has white… http://www.saltblockgazette.com/files/SBjuly08.pdf

So… perhaps The Horse is wrong about “Con Air,” or that photo shows a different horse (the caption doesn’t SAY the pictured horse is Con Air, just that the owner owns Con Air)

This page gives show results and lists 2 “Con-Airs”.

http://www.horseshowtime.com/showclassresults.asp?Show=1320&DivisionID=78

Numbers 365 & 420 (and different owners)

[BLBGP]

[QUOTE=vxf111;3942959]
I checked USEF…
So… perhaps The Horse is wrong about “Con Air,” or that photo shows a different horse (the caption doesn’t SAY the pictured horse is Con Air, just that the owner owns Con Air)[/QUOTE]

It’s also possible that Con Air wasn’t ever recorded with USEF. Also, Kanye sounds a lot like Con Air, so it could be a mistake. It’s very very possible that there are only two horses involved and that Con Air and Kanye are one and the same.

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=BLBGP;3942997]
It’s also possible that Con Air wasn’t ever recorded with USEF. Also, Kanye sounds a lot like Con Air, so it could be a mistake. It’s very very possible that there are only two horses involved and that Con Air and Kanye are one and the same.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree. I think Con Air was renamed Kanye.

[fordtraktor]

[QUOTE=BLBGP;3942997]
It’s also possible that Con Air wasn’t ever recorded with USEF. Also, Kanye sounds a lot like Con Air, so it could be a mistake. It’s very very possible that there are only two horses involved and that Con Air and Kanye are one and the same.[/QUOTE]

I agree – Occam’s Razor, the simplest explanation is usually the best. 2 horses, one switch off the trailer, voila.