YAY!! I am so glad he has been found!!
I am betting Con Air=Kayne. He was imported in 2004 so lots of time to change hands and names.
I think as much as people want to call conspiracy theory that it was a simple mix up! It has happened before!
YAY!
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What about the girl who’s been riding GG as “her” horse for the past seven months? Kinda sucks for her.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps her parents can make some sort of deal for their daugher to continue riding
GG for the balance of the show year — but I can’t help thinking that without that ONE poster coming in, out of the blue, everybody might be still running around trying to find GG! Good call but kinda sad for this young rider.
Isn’t that the horse biz though - leaves you with egg on your face at the most inappropriate times ;). I’m so glad he’s found but I do feel for the girl. I hope she finds another horse to enjoy soon. At least she was in someway prepared for a short relationship as it was a lease and not purchase but it still has to hurt.
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What about the girl who’s been riding GG as “her” horse for the past seven months? Kinda sucks for her.[/QUOTE]
She’s probably sad, but she also got to spend 6 months riding a horse most people couldn’t touch with a 10 foot gold plated pole. AND she has proven herself able to win on a horse known to not be an easy ride. I think she got something out of it!
Oh, and she passed him back to his owner in great shape, so she’ll have his respect as well!
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The horse has been found. Check back a page or two.[/QUOTE]
sorry about that, have to feed my ponies…so skipped a bit…still wondering about Kayne/Con Air, who does he belong to?
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Oh, and she passed him back to his owner in great shape, so she’ll have his respect as well![/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, the whole reason the horse was sent back east was to be sold. Now that the market has dropped, I wonder what kind of potential loss the owner will have to shoulder. I doubt the trainer is going to say, “I’m responsible for what happened to the horse for the last six months, I’ll make up any difference from what the market was when you trusted me to send your horse off to be sold and now.”
The people who always end up short on these types of deals are the owners. The lessee is out of luck and the owner has a horse that was supposed to be sold over the winter in Florida. I guess the owner now has to pay to have their horse shipped back. They might consider having it flown back by a professional shipper.
All’s well that ends well. I’m still hung up on the brand…no matter how faint, isn’t that something that would be on a Coggins test and health papers like other characteristic marks? My vet notes brands when she does the Coggins art work.
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This is like having a Twin Peaks experience![/QUOTE]
Moesha - I thought it was just me…but then we date ourselves.
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You have to go back to about page 7 to find out.[/QUOTE]
I did but got completely confused by Kayne and Con Air / Con-Air and who was suspected to be where and ridden by whom 
I think I need a diagram. I’m going down to HSA to see if someone will draw the whole thing:winkgrin:
Hi all
we have just talked to Patrick Seaton and here is the latest:
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/03/071.shtml
What a relief!
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I need a flowchart.[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol:
where was he found???
Horsetalk.com says he was found in NJ? But I thought he was found in Gulfport??? And at Barney Ward’s? (Sorry, don’t know where ol’ Barney trains out of).
PS…Soft horse market, major national equine press…=sold horse! Ya gotta figure.
The story is the horse was accidently swapped during a layover by the shipper for a similar looking horse on his way from CA to NY at Barney’s NY barn late '08. He was then leased to a junior rider who showed him weeks 1 - 3 successfully at Gulfport. After that he returned to the lesee’s barn (Resolution Farm) in NJ where he was “found” and is being redirected according to his owners wishes. He was originally recognized in pix showing in Gulfport but had already returned to NJ when the pix were seen.
Adhock, Glad your daughter is there to see him home safe and sound.
Edited because the post I was also responding to was gone by the time I posted my response. Odd.
Just going by the HorseTalk.co.nz article
Closer investigation showed the Good Guinness substitute had a leg scar and two missing front teeth.
It had also been noticed that the substitute simply wasn’t performing up to the standard of a grand prix horse.
Seriously no one within 5 weeks let alone five months later thought something was amiss about the GrandPrix winning horse not doing well and missing two teeth?
Just to belabor the point: I find it odd that Con Air has two missing teeth and the dealer didn’t ask the trainer of GG about it. Wouldn’t you be curious about that? Wouldn’t a potential buyer ask about it? I’m assuming they had conversations about the horse while he was for sale. That would have been a big red flag.
I don’t quite buy the whole scenario, but it’s been an interesting mystery to follow and I’m happy that GG has been found and is safe.
Also, being a bit on the older side, I often bemoan the whole Internet, Facebook, e-mail thing, but holy hell, the things you can find out with the click of a button! Imagine if this were 20 years ago: the horse probably would never have been found.
Glad they found GG!!! That’s so wonderful for Patrick!!
This is starting to sound like a legitimate mistake (damn, conspiracies are so much fun -as long as the horse is alright!!! ;)). If the shipper dropped the horses off after a long drive, he was probably tired and delirious which happens after you haul horses cross country, even with stops. I can wholly relate to that. hauling horses is stressful, especially when you have such a valuable beast on your trailer. The stupid thing is that hauling never really gets less stressful the more you do it.
In addition, brands are hard to see sometimes - my mare’s is practically invisible.
Still a little sketchy, but as long as all parties are safe, that’s all that matters. But I really feel for the girl that was riding GG - what a rockstar to ride GG that well for 6 months - and now she has to deal with the fall out of the switch. At least she knows she’s a dang good rider from this point on, and so does everyone else: she didn’t just win on any horse, she was doing well on GG!!
The head shots of GG and Con Air/Kanye in that article sure don’t look very much alike. A photo sent to the west coast on the east coast arrival of “GG” in Sept. would have immediately raised a flag.
Any guesses on the age of GG/Kanye’s rider in that photo and in the other Gulfport show photos?
I see a TV movie in the works. Ends with the juniors parents buying her GG, presenting the horse to her on Patrick’s birthday, GG’s reaching his head out of the stall and the three of them blowing out the candles of the cake in the barn isle.
Happy Birthday Patrick. I couldn’t be happier for you, GG and his owners.
I agree with caffeinated, I desperately need a flow chart to follow this! I’m so confused at this point that it’s not funny… at all. Who’s Con Air? And who’s Kanye? Not only that, but what else is going on here? All I know is the following:
- Good Gunness is missing
- he was shipped to Frank Madden in NY, from CA nine or so months ago
- Good Guiness was not living up to reputation/expectations of a Grand Prix horse, so he was being shown in the children’s jumpers WEF
- Good Guiness’s old owner (or was it his trainer?) went to go check on him at WEF, but the horse was not Good Guinness
- the ‘imposter horse’ is missing some of his front teeth, and has a scar on his leg
- this ‘imposter horse’ is infact, the horse that arrived in NY
- the ‘imposter horse’ has a European microchip
One more thing:
Honestly, the two horses do not look very much a like. Yes, they are both bay geldings and they both have stars. But their stars do not look very much a like, and I don’t really think that their build is exactly alike. It certainly does leave you wondering why no suspicions were raised as to who the horse was earlier.
