[QUOTE=Janet;3945514]
GR704 comes to mind![/QUOTE]
GR1101 and 1102.1 as well…
What are these rules, I don’t know them…
Uhhhh…yeah…and that’ll be one more expense for the exhibitors to have to pay. Why should it be USEF’s (or the horse show’s) responsibility to make sure everyone has the correct horses? Maybe people should start taking responsibility for their own actions and stop expecting others to “cover” for them? Besides, if I choose not to microchip my horse, that’s my decision. I do NOT want anyone to tell me what to do with MY horses. That’s why I think NAIS is absurd!!!
If the shipper in this case is stepping up to the plate and taking the responsibility for the mistake then we need to accept that. A bunch of people on a public BB aren’t going to “force” the truth out of anyone.
[QUOTE=justdandy;3945594]
Uhhhh…yeah…and that’ll be one more expense for the exhibitors to have to pay. Why should it be USEF’s (or the horse show’s) responsibility to make sure everyone has the correct horses? Maybe people should start taking responsibility for their own actions and stop expecting others to “cover” for them? Besides, if I choose not to microchip my horse, that’s my decision. I do NOT want anyone to tell me what to do with MY horses. That’s why I think NAIS is absurd!!!
If the shipper in this case is stepping up to the plate and taking the responsibility for the mistake then we need to accept that. A bunch of people on a public BB aren’t going to “force” the truth out of anyone.[/QUOTE]
I also think that if you own a non distinct brown horse then maybe you should brand or micro-chip or tattoo. However, if you own a horse that has any very distinct markings, or scar or any other distinguishable mark then probably not… I think it depends on the horse…
The whole conspiracy theory also hinges on the fact that BW would have to know the horse is an unknown entity to FM.
I do wonder why FM didn’t take a second look at the videos when the horse wasn’t performing up to expectation. Or for that matter, why GG’s people weren’t asking for a video.
It also depends on what THE OWNER wants to do with the horse. I do have a non distinct brown/black horse. However, I choose not to microchip her. I also have a grey horse with no distinct markings, etc. and I choose not to microchip, tattoo, brand him. Again, it’s the OWNERS choice. This is not something that the owner should be required to do.
This is a great “whodunnit.”
Halters switched? And horses retained and both shown for months without someone thinking something was wrong?
And interestingly, the expensive horse, GG, ends up in Barney Ward’s hands?
Unless the owner of the horse foots the bill for any investigation, we’ll never know why the switch was made and why did it.
Required reading: Hot Blood, by Ken Englade.
You can find them here.
http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/03-general%20rules.pdf
704 is about “Regulations as to Suspended Persons.”
1101 and 1102 are about Horse Recording and HID
Ha ha. I knew there would be a midget involved!
Probably the one who changed the halters, at midnight. Under a full moon. When was the moon full in September 08?!
I do think that it’s worth noting (hey, again) that Kanye and Con Air share the same first syllable pronunciation.
If you were a businessperson dealing with a lot of horses (no emotion involved) but wanted to change a name just for sales/leasing purposes to make it more appealing, seems an easy thing to do–“Con, con, con…uh, I dunno, call him Kanye.”
Also notable that donotbotherme’s first post spelled Kanye wrong. Spelling it Kayne makes it an entirely different word. Maybe just an accident, or maybe he/she read it that way and doesn’t actually have first hand knowledge. Because if you heard the horse called Kanye, you would not mistake that name for Kayne.
Or maybe I’m just procrastinating and need to get back to work.
Hooray that GG is on his way home !
Now. Do we even want to wonder/ask/know who is hauling him home, and how much pressure they’re under to make sure he gets there ? 
[QUOTE=Cassi1125;3944954]
Not necessarily. The Coggins that was done on one of my horses last year - well, let’s say there’s no way you would recognize him from the description that was written on the paperwork.[/QUOTE]
Same thing happened with my horse when I bought him- years back. He stepped off the trailer from a west coast/east coast route and his health certificate made no mention of the HUGE roan marking he has covering his entire hindquarters. We couldn’t believe how the shipper made it across COUNTRY borders past USDA and border patrol with a horse that only partially matched his description. I knew it was the horse I bought because, well, there is no mistaking him. But, still it seemed irresponsible of shipper/vet/border patrol, etc. What if had been a stolen horse?
My point is it is entirely possible that the imposter ConAir from Europe that was unloaded at Franks really is just a dark bay w/ no markings that should’ve been unloaded at Wards as Kanye. He couldve just been recorded improperly. I guess we won’t know until the real owners of ConAir/Kanye step forward.
All I know is that if the Wards don’t want poor Imposter I would be happy to give him a great home! I will call him Impy and he shall be my Impy. Frank? Barney? Give me a call 
[QUOTE=MelantheLLC;3945658]
Ha ha. I knew there would be a midget involved!
Probably the one who changed the halters, at midnight. Under a full moon. When was the moon full in September 08?!
I do think that it’s worth noting (hey, again) that Kanye and Con Air share the same first syllable pronunciation.
If you were a businessperson dealing with a lot of horses (no emotion involved) but wanted to change a name just for sales/leasing purposes to make it more appealing, seems an easy thing to do–“Con, con, con…uh, I dunno, call him Kanye.”
Also notable that donotbotherme’s first post spelled Kanye wrong. Spelling it Kayne makes it an entirely different word. Maybe just an accident, or maybe he/she read it that way and doesn’t actually have first hand knowledge. Because if you heard the horse called Kanye, you would not mistake that name for Kayne.
Or maybe I’m just procrastinating and need to get back to work.[/QUOTE]
I too am procrastinating, or just waiting for the Friday whistle but… first, it would have to be AT LEAST two midgets, GG was 17.1 so no way one would get to the halter, they would need two or three stacked high to get way up there… second, I think that the donotbotherme post had a typo, probably someone who realized after the Ward reference they knew the horse and was a little nervous about even posting… three, I think there isn’t to much to the Kanye name than it is a dark popular artist right now and the horse was a dark horse. I think it was just an easy name to come up with because they had all intentions of changing the horses name, whether it be Con-Air or GG. If they knew it was GG, then the name change was to cover their a$$, if they new it was Con-Air maybe it was to give him a new lease on life if his previous performance was less than stellar. I am going to look up the rules now, it took a while for the usef site to load…
LetsChat - Load the General Rules by Chapter. The big PDF file crashes my work computer, too…
Guess it remains to be seen whether the “it was all a horrible mistake” defense flies, or not.
That would be
http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/GeneralRules/Chapter%207.pdf
and
http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/GeneralRules/Chapter%2011.pdf
I’d be very interested to know how the owner of GG feels about this whole thing. “the very prominent attorney who contacted the FBI”
Does the owner believe that it was a simple mix-up, or is he believing that somebody was looking to make some money off of his very expensive horse? If he did in fact contact the FBI or local police and a criminal investigation has been initiated, has that investigation now been dropped? If it is determined that the horse was stolen, just because the merchandise has been returned does not mean that a theft was not committed.
I want to read the next chapter.
[QUOTE=Janet;3945728]
That would be
http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/GeneralRules/Chapter%207.pdf
and
http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/GeneralRules/Chapter%2011.pdf[/QUOTE]
The suspension rules are pretty stringent. I can’t imagine there isn’t some violation.
[QUOTE=2bayboys;3945731]
I’d be very interested to know how the owner of GG feels about this whole thing. “the very prominent attorney who contacted the FBI”
Does the owner believe that it was a simple mix-up, or is he believing that somebody was looking to make some money off of his very expensive horse? If he did in fact contact the FBI or local police and a criminal investigation has been initiated, has that investigation now been dropped? If it is determined that the horse was stolen, just because the merchandise has been returned does not mean that a theft was not committed.
I want to read the next chapter.[/QUOTE]
I would think only if they dropped charges would it just go away and that will only happen if they truely believe it was an accident. What about the lease fee, shouldn’t they get some of that, it was their horse that won.
For those rule readers, there will be nothing traceable in BW’s name. You can bet the farm on that.
For those of you who smell a rat - a hunch = reasonable doubt.
Does anyone else see the humor in GG being sent to the “safe house” at SM’s Beacon Hill?
[QUOTE=Dun Ciarain;3945393]
Well, a junior was riding GG last year. I just checked last year’s show results to make sure that it was the same horse I thought it was. The show barn I was at last year (I’m taking a short hiatus from riding) cleaned GG’s clock at every show where our top horses and riders were at, whether it was at the Pebble Beach or Del Mar GPs or in the junior ranks. So did many other top jumper barns’ horses and riders. Every jumper trainer seems to know every top horse in every barn out here already. I doubt that their opinion will suddenly change. If they couldn’t sell the horse out here last year, it’s hard to believe that he will suddenly become more marketable by coming back here a year older.[/QUOTE]
In the junior ranks I remember Sophie B. riding Good Guinness (LAEC and SHOWPARK). I thought she did a great job keeping him high in the ribbons – I also recall that Helen McNaught (sp?) rode him some years back. Maybe 2005 ??
When all is said and done, I’ m feeling really bad for ConAir, nobody seems to want to lay claim to him – 
correction: Showpark and Del Mar -----
[QUOTE=Roulett;3945801]
In the junior ranks I remember Sophie B. riding Good Guinness (LAEC and SHOWPARK). I thought she did a great job keeping him high in the ribbons – I also recall that Helen McNaught (sp?) rode him some years back. Maybe 2005 ??
When all is said and done, I’ m feeling really bad for ConAir, nobody seems to want to lay claim to him – :-([/QUOTE]
AFAIK from the threads so far… Con Air/Kanye is owned by MW, who was taking him as a trade, so MW is the owner that he is being returned to. There is no other party out there. Could be wrong, but thats what I got out of all of this.
