[QUOTE=RainyDayRide;3946177]
Except that I haven’t seen any confirmation that the two horses were ever on the same trailer. I have seen speculation that GG and the other horse might have been together at an overnight point.
Has there been any backtracking on where Kanye/Con Air was before he wound up at FM’s?[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing. Where did Kanye/Con Air come from?
Man, my head is spinning from reading all 25 pages…
[QUOTE=FalseImpression;3946206]
I have been trying to register on HSS and it won’t let me…
It keeps telling me user name and email address are used… yes, by me when I register. Then, when I choose Log in… I get a blank page and nothing else…
Grr!!![/QUOTE]
It’s not you! Something’s wrong with the site.
seemed plausible to me…I guess in the end, I don’t really care. I can easily see any number of plausible explanations where no one intentionally caused this to happen. The error has been fixed and life goes on.
Post # 438/ Ambrey:
Amen!!!
I’m curious, where the did the info about the swapped halters come from? Post #2 says that imposter GG was in his stall at WEF wearing a halter with the name GG on it (months after the horses got mixed up) not that he was wearing the halter the real GG shipped cross country in. Correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t have time to re-read all of the posts.
[QUOTE=Ambrey;3945355]
This is the consequence of bad behavior- loss of trust. If it were a trusted person, they would get the benefit of the doubt. People who have proven themselves unworthy of trust just are less likely to get it.[/QUOTE]
Amen!!!
[QUOTE=bornfreenowexpensive;3946252]
seemed plausible to me…I guess in the end, I don’t really care. I can easily see any number of plausible explanations where no one intentionally caused this to happen. The error has been fixed and life goes on.[/QUOTE]
You know, I probably wouldn’t care that much, as long as the outcome is what it is. I am glad that it has worked out, and if it were my horse, I’d be completely distraught to find he wasn’t where he was supposed to be. But the thing that I find interesting is that BW is the common denominator. And maybe I shouldn’t be interested by that, but I am.
I worked at one sales barn…
Where there wasn’t even enough halters for all the horses there, between getting lost in the fields, taken to shows and forgot, shipping halters, horses coming and going at all hours, someone could have BORROWED GG’s halter and hung it back up on the wrong stall.
If both horses were on the trailer, and my guess would be they were, the halter switch could have happened at a stop over in NV even and then switched drivers, and the original driver didn’t catch the halter switch, and the NEW driver didn’t know the horses at all.
If this switch had been on purpose, I would think, that horse would NEVER have been leased out to a junior.
***** Here’s an idea for shippers, Carry a dry erase board, write the horses name, owners name, and phone on it, take a pic of the horse’s face, with that info in the pic, that way they have proof as to the horse they picked up and where they dropped it off. USE A CAMERA PHONE, or DIGITAL CAMERA, that way they can see the pic at drop off time…
I don’t believe in random coincidence, I believe everything is connected. There are just too many holes in this whole story for me, the following being the main one:
[QUOTE=vxf111;3944214]
If it was an honest mix up because there were 2 very similar looking horses on the trailer at the same time… why didn’t the shipper volunteer that information IMMEDIATELY once it became clear GG was missing?
If it was just a mixup caused by 2 black horses shipping together at the same time and being confused, you would think that mixup would have been identified the MINUTE someone told the shipper there was a problem-- and not only would it have been identified but through the shipper you would know EXACTLY who to call because you’d know who the swapped horse belonged to.
Why didn’t this happen here?[/QUOTE]
Also some other odd points:
It is just too much of a coincidence that the horses looked very similar (dark brown with white stars), both jumpers, etc. It’s not like they got someones AQHA reiner mixed up here.
Grandprixjump, why do you think if it was on purpose that he wouldn’t be leased out to a Junior? It is highly likely that it was a fairly pricey lease. It could have been more than the impostor is actually worth. There’s a big price difference between leasing a Ch/AA jumper and a competitive Junior jumper.
And the name change, too. Why change the name? I know people change horses’ names all the time, but I would have a lot easier time believing this was all just a “mistake,” if his name wouldn’t have been changed and he were going under the impostor’s name.
It’s all just too fishy for me…
[QUOTE=Horseymama;3946484]
I don’t believe in random coincidence, I believe everything is connected. There are just too many holes in this whole story for me […]
It’s all just too fishy for me…[/QUOTE]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_Razor
The simplest answer is usually the correct answer. :winkgrin: No stake in this whole thing, I just have my doubts about a big conspiracy theory 
I just found something interesting…
There was a horse in TX doing GP’s named Kayne and he looks a lot like GG Imitation. The small star, looks like no other white.
http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/bluemoongrafix/?action=view¤t=KayneinTX.jpg
[QUOTE=Horseymama;3946484]
It is just too much of a coincidence that the horses looked very similar (dark brown with white stars), both jumpers, etc. It’s not like they got someones AQHA reiner mixed up here. [/QUOTE]
This really isn’t that much of a coincidence if you know the players involved. Patrick Seaton is one of the top jumper trainers/riders in NorCal- although I believe he has some hunters/eq/ponies, he is definitely focused on the jumpers. Ali, as well, although he has some of everything, I believe he also deals mainly with jumpers. Mclain and Barney both mostly deal with jumpers. The shipper is also not just a commercial shipper, but a figure on the H/J circuit. It’s not like an AQHA reiner would ever be on that trailer in the first place.
[QUOTE=grandprixjump;3946811]
There was a horse in TX doing GP’s named Kayne and he looks a lot like GG Imitation. The small star, looks like no other white.
http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/bluemoongrafix/?action=view¤t=KayneinTX.jpg[/QUOTE]
That’s him. They do not all look alike to GPJ.
What sort of horrifies me is that professional horsemen who have spent their entire lives around horses and make their living off of horses think these 2 horses look alike.
One is a brown horse with a neon red nose. The other one is a black/bay horse who is only somewhat similar. Impostor horse looks like he stuck his nose in Ga red clay. GG simply does not have that at all.
I can understand the general public thinking they are identical. I can understand some uneducated dim wits thinking they are identical. But I think its a shame that these horses, who are the reason professionals have jobs, are of such little interest to the trainers that any trace of them being individuals with individual characteristics is absent. Nor did anyone question the lack of teeth even though that would be something to be explained to a potential buyer. I do not think it would be a deal breaker, but its surely seems like something that might have been mentioned. Or noticed the first time he was bridled. Nobody in charge took any time to look at the horses they got or examine them or document their health or status.
GG was described by the mother of a former rider as actually being unfit and possibly dangerous for low level jumpers. And then he was leased out to a child for low level jumpers. But who cares? They were probably both blond headed girls and looked just alike and who cares what they ride as long as the money keeps flowing in?
I do think it was just a mix-up, but for the level of experience of the players and the amount of money people pay to ride and train with them, you’d think they could tell, or would at least bother, to look at the horses and have the ability to see them as well as the average COTH reader looking at photos.
I would imagine somewhere there is a groom that kept trying to tell his/her boss that the brown, gap toothed horse in that stall was not the one he/she saw on you-tube. Because the groom would care and would look for his/her charge 's pictures or at least have read the sales flyer that said Black horse and known black does not come with bright red noses.
If you need a halter to tell you black from brown you are too busy. If that kid who leased him had been hurt when GG got lazy over small jumps would it not be negligence to have not bothered to look and see if you got the right color horse? Perhaps these BNT need to hire Pony Clubbers to examine their new charges? C-level ought to do.
Rant over. I still think impostor horses I very cute with his red nose. If I had been his groom I would have called him Rudolf.
Please read CORRECTION below in thread.
[QUOTE=RainyDayRide;3946177]
Except that I haven’t seen any confirmation that the two horses were ever on the same trailer. I have seen speculation that GG and the other horse might have been together at an overnight point.
Has there been any backtracking on where Kanye/Con Air was before he wound up at FM’s?[/QUOTE]
Which could be found out if the shipper would tell if that horse was ever on the trailer with GG or if the “owner” of Con Air/Kanye would tell when that horse was shipped to Ward and how.
[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;3946994]
Which could be found out if the shipper would tell if that horse was ever on the trailer with GG or if the “owner” of Con Air/Kanye would tell when that horse was shipped to Ward and how.[/QUOTE]
How do you know all of this has not been discussed between the various owners, lessees, shippers, insurance companies and whatever policing bureaus have been involved?
The fact that no one has come to cool the ardor of the COTH BB is meaningless.
[QUOTE=checkwriter;3946957]
What about the fact that the horse had a four day layover at the Ward’s barn. He was then taken on a two horse to Frank’s. Why was this necessary? These barns are so close geographically, about 70 miles apart. Wouldn’t it have been much less expensive and much more practical to take the horse directly to his destination?[/QUOTE]
Just as an aside, we have to have a small truck/trailer bring horses here because the roads get so narrow and windy. Bob Hubbard has a transfer station in town where they get off the big trailer and onto a small one. NO idea if this was the case, just a tidbit.
But, Midge, we ALL want to be Guy Noir.
New additions from a greenie. GG had a 4 day layover at BWs, in the same barn as Impostor. If that’s the case, then the mixup is either more or less likely, depending on how one looks at it. :yes:
I would imagine somewhere there is a groom that kept trying to tell his/her boss that the brown, gap toothed horse in that stall was not the one he/she saw on you-tube. Because the groom would care and would look for his/her charge 's pictures or at least have read the sales flyer that said Black horse and known black does not come with bright red noses.
I think that the grooms at this level are probably somewhat overworked, and don’t really think that hard about these horses and probably don’t question transactions. They also probably go home at night and relax, and it is doubtful they are looking up sales videos online or looking at feed store for-sale flyers. It’s a BUSINESS. Horses probably come and go every day. It’s not a small boarding barn where legions of horse crazy girls know every speck on every horse. The supposed C/A horse probably elicited as much excitement as a shipment of feed.
I think that at that level that horses are a business and probably most of them are treated as a commodity by the big sales/training barns. There probably isn’t a lot of personal attention given to many of the horses by the big names. The care is probably very good, but the attention is probably lacking from all but the grooms who are probably a step or two removed from the business process.
At any rate, I’m sure if any of the players feel foul play was involved, that they will take steps to figure it all out. You know- gotta say- they switch babies an awful lot at the hospital. Not too far fetched to think that in the business of buying and selling horses site unseen that mess ups occur.
Personally, I’m thinkin’ Frank and Patrick couldn’t be happier the Ward name is wrapped up in this. After all, if the horse had been hanging at, say, Heritage for four days, that big shiny Ward spotlight would be shining on Frank and Patrick. Frank gets a horse who at the worst is a high junior horse and at best a GP horse, and it’s questionable at the children’s level? Good Lord, Frank, take another peek at those videos that had you wanting the horse in the first place. Ot did you and you didn’t notice that it wasn’t the same horse?
Patrick sends to a reputable trainer a horse who is at worst a high junior horse and at best a GP horse and that reputable trainer can barely make it a childrens jumper? C’mon Patrick, ask for a video! Or perhaps Patrick was not THAT surprised he wasn’t performing as well as he had hoped? And why rock the boat when the horse is showing at WEF on someone else’s dime, eh?
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