Good Guinness Missing

Its time they make a movie about one of these stories. Highly entertaining.

But in the movie, the missing horse WILL be a top Grand Prix jumper, not just a so-so GP horse as is now being debated. :lol:

And owned by a 12 year old girl who trained him herself and showed him herself but has to sell him because her mother is dying of cancer and the insurance company cancelled their policy after thay lost the farm to the rich, mean landowner next door who has a cute son she has a crush on.

And there will be a handsome bad-boy GP rider, whose career veered off course because of drinking and drugs and partying and then having an accident while riding…and his road to redemption will be helping the girl…whose mother will of course be his age and they will fall in love…

Good Ginness

My gosh I never heard this part of the story. How did anybdy find out that is was a case of someone mistaking Volturno for another horse and did they ever catch the crooks? Volutrno was very black in color and he was a stallion so what a co insidence that there were two in quarenteen at the same time. Were they at Ellen Miller’s in Maryland? And what happened to some other poor horse with allot of drugs inside him. Was that horse found? Did he live?

Based on what is being said here I think possibly the owners acted a bit rashly… If GG was hard to ride and wasn’t the scopiest of GP horses perhaps they should have left him with the girl who leased him from McClain and just tried to get the lease money from him (McClain) that the people had paid. It seems the girl was doing a fair division for the horse and campaigning him on the other coast quite well. Maybe they just reacted too fast. Or maybe at this point they don’t care and just want the horse back but he WAS doing rather well with the junior…

[QUOTE=Alix;3957274]
My gosh I never heard this part of the story. How did anybdy find out that is was a case of someone mistaking Volturno for another horse and did they ever catch the crooks? Volutrno was very black in color and he was a stallion so what a co insidence that there were two in quarenteen at the same time. Were they at Ellen Miller’s in Maryland? And what happened to some other poor horse with allot of drugs inside him. Was that horse found? Did he live?[/QUOTE]

I don’t think one has anything to do with the other… I think someone just mentioned the other story in this thread. From what I read it was like 1988 when Volturno was killed so I would bet that they never were anywhere near one another seeing that GG is only 12 - making his BIRTHDATE 9 years AFTER the death of the other… but you can go run with the reincarnation idea. :lol:

[QUOTE=luvs2ridewbs;3956875]
Its time they make a movie about one of these stories. Highly entertaining.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes. You and the other posters have great ideas. Hmmm, Cloudy and I want to be extras, we’d jump clean but retire at about 4 ft. :lol::lol: Call the horse ambulance, please after that.

And the horse GG was hyped on other bbs as a big jumper. More puffing, like height and age of horses for sale?

Moesha and Midge,
Reminds me of the ole days of making up stories on here.
I’m at work, cracking up. Thanks for making my day better. :wink:

$ How much?

I live in the Hunter pony world. So how much would they have been asking for a horse of this quality? Though from what I have read the quality seems to be a point of debate. But what kind of range are we talking, 100k, 200k, 300k, 400k???

[QUOTE=Midge;3957257]
And owned by a 12 year old girl who trained him herself and showed him herself but has to sell him because her mother is dying of cancer and the insurance company cancelled their policy after thay lost the farm to the rich, mean landowner next door who has a cute son she has a crush on.[/QUOTE]

And in the end the rich landowner will be the one who orchestrated the switch, because he doesn’t want the sale to go through so they can keep the farm, and the leasee will be the good looking son who gets to ride the olympic level GP horse in place of the cheesy children’s jumper he was supposed to get.

And they all lived happily ever after ! :smiley: LOL

[QUOTE=gasrgoose;3957512]
I live in the Hunter pony world. So how much would they have been asking for a horse of this quality? Though from what I have read the quality seems to be a point of debate. But what kind of range are we talking, 100k, 200k, 300k, 400k???[/QUOTE]

I think they said $200k earlier.
(sounds about right for a GP horse that jumps by Braille)

[QUOTE=Pirateer;3957590]
I think they said $200k earlier.
(sounds about right for a GP horse that jumps by Braille)[/QUOTE]

Never quite heard that analogy but it is funny… If they are actually able to clear the jumps I would assume the price would be closer to $500K. :cool:

[QUOTE=MLP;3957284]
I don’t think one has anything to do with the other… I think someone just mentioned the other story in this thread. From what I read it was like 1988 when Volturno was killed so I would bet that they never were anywhere near one another seeing that GG is only 12 - making his BIRTHDATE 9 years AFTER the death of the other… but you can go run with the reincarnation idea. :lol:[/QUOTE]

MLP, I’m pretty sure that Alix wasn’t asking about GG and Imposter Horse but about the old case with Volturno … i.e. wanting details about how THAT case was finally solved (or believed to be solved), rather than the current mystery.

And in the fictious account, y’all left out the part of the honest, hard-working, overtired horse hauler – who just happens to be a longtime friend of the nasty landowner :wink: – who somehow, no matter all the other endless other trips he’d made with no reported mistakes, manages to mix up a GP horse (first, second or 53rd tier) with a childrens jumper that just happened to be the same color and landed at the same farm at the same time…

And in the fictious account, y’all left out the part of the honest, hard-working, overtired horse hauler – who just happens to be a longtime friend of the nasty landowner – who somehow, no matter all the other endless other trips he’d made with no reported mistakes, manages to mix up a GP horse (first, second or 53rd tier) with a childrens jumper that just happened to be the same color and landed at the same farm at the same time…

:yes::yes::yes:

It IS just like a bad Hollywood film, because we are all supposed to suspend disbelief and accept the story as it is being fed to us.

I have been give this WAY more thought than it deserves, but I have finally come to the conclusion that people think it was a scam only because the switch was undiscovered for so long and of course because Barney Ward was involved.

If we had been presented the scenario that Frank Madden would be taking a horse on the cuff who competed at the GP level yet it couldn’t jump 4’ and accepting it as that horse and still taking it to Florida where it failed as a children’s jumper

and

The professional who sent it would accept the fact that his horse who competed at the GP level was reduced the the childrens jumpers and therefore (extrapolating) getting offers of perhaps a quarter of his asking price and the trainer does no further investigating

we would have been incredulous right there.

Add in the fact that the agent who put the deal together was not contacted by either party or if he was, still never saw the horse go even though it had shown for seven weeks at WEF, where the agent was also competing?

C’mon, they make this a movie and we hate it as much as we hated Spirit’s eyelashes.

If this horse had been sold to Australia, I’m at the top of the list, screaming scam. Leased to a kid in Jersey? Not so much.

These horses are going to have to remain in their switched positions the rest of their lives. It wasn’t a case of, ‘Maybe I can make this happen for the duration of the winter circuits.’ It was going to have to last forever.

We never, ever would have signed off on that screenplay.

I think I need a roadmap / flowchart for this story, LOL

Sneaky and smart are not synonymous.

Often crafty/dishonest people aren’t the brightest and do things that the rest of us would look at and say “of course you can’t get away with that.”

Like repeatedly killing horses for insuance money? I wouldn’t have thought that was a smart thing to do, or something you can get away with.

[QUOTE=Blinky;3957495]
Moesha and Midge,
Reminds me of the ole days of making up stories on here.
I’m at work, cracking up. Thanks for making my day better. ;)[/QUOTE]

LOL!! And when the rich landowner who is also an AIG Executive buys her horse deliberately to stop her from winning the Grand Prix at Ocean Breaze Pine Swept Acres…

Her Grandfather played by Mickey Rooney, who also happens to be an inventor who has been living on a remote island in Canada because he and his son, her father, had a falling out over a race horse but now he returns…he creates a mechanical horse for her to practice on…so when at the last minute the judge, since the case is of course in court, Wanda Sykes plays the judge, awards the horse back…they have just enough to time to make it to the GP adn she is ready to go!

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