Good Guinness Missing

[Horseymama]

So if it was an honest mistake, then where were they supposed to deliver the Ch/AA jumper to? Can it be that hard? Let’s say they put 10 horses on the van, and let’s suppose one was delivered to Arizona, one to New Mexico, five to Texas, one to Louisiana, and two to Florida. Can’t they just call those people? Isn’t there some kid somewhere that bought a Ch/AA jumper that now has a strong horse with a really huge jump that wonders if it was the same horse she tried? Where are the other horse’s owners or buyers? This other horse didn’t just appear out of thin air!

The fact that this other horse just appeared and looks similar raises a red flag to me. If not, wouldn’t the owners of the other horse would be wondering, too?

[dalpal]

[QUOTE=MagicRoseFarm;3938482]
This might be a lesson to all Shipping a horse long distance to braid a yellow cattle tag into the horse’s mane AND one in the tail with the horse’s name on it- made with a Sharpie… I received two horses from Europe once and insisted this be done with them…[/QUOTE]

Or you could just take a big Sharpie and Write…“PROPERTY OF” on the actual horse…in big, bold letters. :lol:

I’m sorry, I know this is a very serious situation and I hope that GG is found safe.

I think we live in an age where people just can’t believe that _hit happens and it has to be a conspiracy. I refuse to believe it was anything other than an accident until someone has evidence that proves something different.

[countingstrides]

I just think it’s so sad that so many people on this board with absolutely no connection to the situation are so cynical and are saying things that could hurt someone’s livelyhood. What does this say about the horse people we surround ourselves with, and the world we live in? Very sad.

JM .02

[SuperSTB]

[QUOTE=Horseymama;3938518]
So if it was an honest mistake, then where were they supposed to deliver the Ch/AA jumper to? Can it be that hard? Let’s say they put 10 horses on the van, and let’s suppose one was delivered to Arizona, one to New Mexico, five to Texas, one to Louisiana, and two to Florida. Can’t they just call those people? Isn’t there some kid somewhere that bought a Ch/AA jumper that now has a strong horse with a really huge jump that wonders if it was the same horse she tried? Where are the other horse’s owners or buyers? This other horse didn’t just appear out of thin air!

The fact that this other horse just appeared and looks similar raises a red flag to me. If not, wouldn’t the owners of the other horse would be wondering, too?[/QUOTE]

I don’t know anything about this particular incident but the horse I sold that went “missing” was more than likely turned out in a huge lot with other horses and they didn’t know how to pick her out from the herd. But who knows- it was just not as cut and dry as it should have been.

Its far to easy for shippers to mix up horses and honestly there are drivers who don’t know how to handle horses- they are just paid to drive from A to B. Horse people just assume that other horse people are doing the hauling when that just not always the case.

BTW- when I hauled my own cross country, we stopped at one place that was frequented by cross country shippers… uhmmm we witnessed horses coming off the trailer and turned out together. While at one hand I’m glad they got out to stretch their legs but on the other hand- I’m hoping this was okay with whomever is paying to ship these ponies.

[dalpal]

[QUOTE=countingstrides;3938548]
I just think it’s so sad that so many people on this board with absolutely no connection to the situation are so cynical and are saying things that could hurt someone’s livelyhood. What does this say about the horse people we surround ourselves with, and the world we live in? Very sad.

JM .02[/QUOTE]

I think it’s the World in general.

Do you guys remember the recent tragedy with the NFL players lost at sea? It was semi big news here, since Smith had played at NC State. Our local news runs a comment board on stories…I cannot tell you, how many people were screaming that this was a hoax, conspiracy…All I could think was…YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME??? You think these boys swam away to some island and left one to hang onto the boat for MANY hours in hopes that someone would come rescue him? I hate it when people jump to conclusions…god forbid, that the story told, might actually be the truth??? That would be boring.

[4Martini]

We had a horse show up at my barn and the owner had said on the boarding contract that he weighed 1600 lbs or something. Well, big cross country shipper shows up and unloads average sized grey horse. BO calls owner (who was moving cross country at the time and was not answering.) We were weight taping the horse. The shipper kept saying - it’s the only grey one… We didn’t actually get hold of the owner for I remember two days. We got hold of her husband who said “Big Grey Horse.”

Turns out it was the right horse and the paperwork was filled out incorrectly. But man were we freaked out that we had the wrong horse.

[witherbee]

Sad situation and I hope they find poor Guiness safe and sound.

If it WAS a mistake, you’d think they could just go back to all the deliveries made when Guiness was with that shipper and find out what horses went where. Because a lot of time has gone by, he may have changed hands since then, but it should be fairly easy to follow the trail. That is what makes me think theft is involved - I’m sure they must have checked back, but evidently did not find out where all of the other horses on the van went…

[joiedevie99]

I boarded my retiree at a barn last year where someone sent a horse on trial to a woman. The woman’s trainer called to say the horse wasn’t working out and she was going to bring it back. The trainer came back and left the wrong horse in the stall. The owner showed up later that afternoon (at the time the trainer was supposed to come) and found a different horse with the same markings in the stall. It was wild. Police were out quickly. She finally got a hold of the woman who had picked up her horse on trial only to find out that the woman had her horse and loved him. She had two days left on the trial but had decided to keep him.

So, it turned out that the trainer was just looking to dump an OTTB that happened to have the same markings and the woman who bought her horse had no clue the trainer was up to anything. All turned out well- the woman dumped the trainer and went through with the purchase of the horse. The mystery horse stayed because everyone felt so bad for him and was sold a few months later with some groceries. You have to wonder, though, how many other people the trainer has tried to scam this way… and how many others are out there.

[Glimmerglass]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;3937913]
Does anyone else remember the weird story about the TB stallion who was supposed to be shipped from the UK (?) to Australia.[/QUOTE]

The horse in that case was Dubai Excellence who ended up in the Ukraine.

Per the Thoroughbred Times (back in 2005):

Therefore the real Samood is in Australia and, more than likely, the real Dubai Excellence, a 6-year-old by Highest Honor out of Colorado Dancer, is in Ukraine, the sources, who requested anonymity, told The Blood-Horse.

Both horses were bred by Sheikh Mohammed’s Darley Stud. Dubai Excellence was sold by Darley in early January to Ted Van Heemst’s Evergreen Stud near Perth, Western Australia, while Samood is believed to have been purchased around the same time by Ukranian interests, the sources said.

Both horses are then understood to have left Darley’s direct care for a livery yard before being dispatched to their respective destinations and this is where a mix-up may have occurred, according to those familiar with the case, but investigations have not yet been concluded.

Anyhow back to this sorted tale which makes no sense. While folks can say the FBI is involved (as if that is worth a nickle - the collective agency couldn’t find tomorrow on a calender) that and $2.50 will get you a ride on the Subway. Maybe the conenctions watched the movie Changeling and thought “hey, what if that happened to that horse”… who knows.

[onwego]

So what happens to the imposter horse?

[adhock]

I know this horse and Patrick Seaton because my daughter showed the horse extensively for Patrick and the owners in 2007 and 2008. This is a terrific horse–but he was no Children’s Jumper: An NAYRC horse, yes, a point and shoot, no. I think that the one time she showed him below level 7 he had no interest in the jumps (maybe some stayed up?)–but over level 7 and he was fantastic and was one of the top junior jumpers on the West Coast! For the life of us, we couldn’t figure out why he was doing the Children’s Jumpers in Florida but we figured the kid must be a heckofa rider. Brave, strong, funny personality (didn’t always go around with a smile on its fence but jumped the moon), honest, no tolerance for boredom, always sound and eager. We kept asking about him in Florida and referred a number of potential buyers who were interested in high jr/a-o horses and we were perplexed when no one tried him.

I urge everyone who’s interested in helping to at least go to You-Tube and watch some of his rounds. Most A-circuit California jumper trainers (including the Californian that referred him to Frank Madden and who was in Wellington this whole time) knew this horse – both because of his record and his distinct way of going. I find it totally improbable that no one from California who was on the WEF showgrounds didn’t spot the swapperoo. Call it myopia???

It is common to send junior jumpers to reputable trainers to sell across the country. It takes a while to sell a high-end horse these days–unless you get very lucky. When my daughter was a junior, she rode for lots of people and Patrick and the wonderful owners of Guinness were among the best and only wanted the best for the horse. They doted on him and always put the horse’s interest first. Everyone, please keep your eyes and ears open. Check out the videos and please help!

[system]

[QUOTE=archieflies;3938155]
Go get a life… :no:[/QUOTE]

Get a clue! The hauler is “related” to the killer ( and we all know who I’m referring to). The point is, when will everyone stop doing business with and legitimizing this criminal? It could have very well been a mix up, IF, the last place the horse was seen WAS NOT in the company of a man guilty of insurance fraud and banned from USEF for life. EVERYONE , with the exception of Patrick(who is only guilty of misguided trust) and the horse’s owner, was involved, albeit at varying levels. Let’s just hope that all of the publicity inspires the parties involved to “discover the mix up” and return GG to his distraught owners, who have stated that “all they want is their horse back”" And then LET"S ALL stop giving criminals a venue.

[Roulett]

[QUOTE=adhock;3938699]
I know this horse and Patrick Seaton because my daughter showed the horse extensively for Patrick and the owners in 2007 and 2008. This is a terrific horse–but he was no Children’s Jumper: An NAYRC horse, yes, a point and shoot, no. I think that the one time she showed him below level 7 he had no interest in the jumps (maybe some stayed up?)–but over level 7 and he was fantastic and was one of the top junior jumpers on the West Coast! For the life of us, we couldn’t figure out why he was doing the Children’s Jumpers in Florida but we figured the kid must be a heckofa rider. Brave, strong, funny personality (didn’t always go around with a smile on its fence but jumped the moon), honest, no tolerance for boredom, always sound and eager. We kept asking about him in Florida and referred a number of potential buyers who were interested in high jr/a-o horses and we were perplexed when no one tried him.

I urge everyone who’s interested in helping to at least go to You-Tube and watch some of his rounds. Most A-circuit California jumper trainers (including the Californian that referred him to Frank Madden and who was in Wellington this whole time) knew this horse – both because of his record and his distinct way of going. I find it totally improbable that no one from California who was on the WEF showgrounds didn’t spot the swapperoo. Call it myopia???

It is common to send junior jumpers to reputable trainers to sell across the country. It takes a while to sell a high-end horse these days–unless you get very lucky. When my daughter was a junior, she rode for lots of people and Patrick and the wonderful owners of Guinness were among the best and only wanted the best for the horse. They doted on him and always put the horse’s interest first. Everyone, please keep your eyes and ears open. Check out the videos and please help![/QUOTE]

I remember this horse winning a huge 1.40M class at Showpark and also remember
he had a second rider – was that your daughter?

[system]

[edit]

I think the first logical step is to ask the hauler where he is.

I truly hope the best for this lovely gelding, he doesn’t deserve any of this.

[Long_Spot]

Adhock you have a pm.

[Mardi]

Disclaimer: I do not know Frank Madden, and I do not mean to cast any aspersions when I say this:

I ride at a h/j barn, although I’m not a h/j person. At this barn there are 4 h/j trainers, and a cast of clients, horses and ponies.

It is not unusual for a big trailer to come in at any time of the day or night, and pick up or drop off horses. RARELY is a trainer or owner there to send the horse off, or receive the new horse. It’s all done by grooms.

The turnover of horses is astounding. Some stay for weeks or months, and then suddenly they’re gone. A few stay for a year or more (usually if they’re owned by children). Before I moved there, I had never seen anything like it.

It seems entirely plausible that the horse who arrived at Mr. Madden’s wasn’t the real GG, and no one noticed because chances are the grooms took delivery of the new horse. When it came time for the horse to be taken out of the stall and tacked up, the grooms did that too.

In other words, Mr. Madden never got that close to the horse to see exactly what had arrived from California.

[Mardi]

By the way…wouldn’t hurt to get NetPosse involved.

[Foxtrot_s]

Geeze I hate that - when old news comes up as new news. So he was never found in six months?

[gwenrowdy]

Apparently the “switch” was just discovered a few days ago; at least that’s how I’m understanding it.

[horsegurl]

Good Guinness is missing?! (Missing Horse)

what happened to the original thread about the missing GP horse?

I think we gotta keep this top of mind–for the horses sake.