Apparently, it was just learned that GG’s hauler stopped at the establishment of the “person” who was involved in those killings for insurance years ago. Does not look good.
Some posts have referred to the Maddens, who is the player in this? Frank and/or Stacia, I didn’t think they did anything together anymore, but I could be wrong, don’t know them personally.
Whew! After reading all this, I am SO glad I can ride and enjoy my horse and not have to deal with all this “wheeling & dealing”
This high level competition is way out of hand. I know it has always gone on at some level ( at least the last 40 years that I know about) but, boyohboy it’s out of this world nowadays.
What ever happened to real competition and skill? Why are so many “professionals” acting like this? Rhetorical question.
Ok… Posts like this make me think this whole thing could be a hoax…
I mean, seriously… WTF???
Seb 
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I agree.
The only thing anyone really knows is that there is a horse named Good Guinness is he is for sale.
Everything else is speculation unless some statement by the parties invovled is made.
Go get a life… :no:
If the theft was nefarious…
Everyone realizes now his star could be very large and also he could have coronet bands, socks or stockings. Using Freeze branding, the hair would grow back white… So to really look for him you would need to know his style of jump, and base color…
Somebody out there is wondering why their children’s hunter is suddenly jumping 5’.
I think it entirely plausible it is legitimately a mistake. Two similar horses unfamiliar to the shipping handler, and as soon as the halter with the horses name accidently gets put back on the wrong horse at a layover barn, who really would be the wiser, as mentioned contracted haulers meet and take a horse off to head another direction and nobody notices. In completely good faith both the trainers think the horse has arrived in Wellington, the coggins markings are rendered by vets not artists, and even upon checking it could easily be mistaken as correct. So the wrong horse slips into the program which could be the result of an honest mistake. How would Maddens staff not simply think the horse was off from with a long haul and new rider? In the general routine in a busy barn I would think it easy for a horse to sort of absorbed into whatever level of program the horse fit in with minimal discussion. It is uncommon, but totally plausible to me.
I am sure it has been tremendously stressful and it would be nice if everyone could keep their eyes open , just in case. Hopefully this has a happy ending and becomes another tale to be told years from now.
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The “impostor” horse is with Frank not Stacia. One of his clients was showing it and leasing it.
Yeah, and I just heard they know what killed Phar Lap. Arsenic is his apples. They’re pretty sure the butler did it.
Seriously though - The best thing anyone can do for GG the “missing” horse is tell a friend. Forget all the speculation, conjecture and theorizing and simply get the word out.
missing horse
OMG—how horrible!! Who was the shipping company?
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Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere; this is a crosspost from the Friends of TB Friends yahoo group. The “Joe” she’s referring to is Joe of TB Friends, who rescues many TBs. What a nightmare!
To those of you ALL Over the country. Please copy and paste this and email to
all–especially those that frequent feed lots, Mexican type rodeo things, etc.
Good Guinness is a 12 yr, 17h ISH (warmblood), Black, with small star. He
belongs to Patrick Seaton, and was shipped (here’s the scary part)last September
(!) from L.A. to NY to Beezie Madden’s barn. He never arrived.
The story goes roughly like this: Patrick Seaton was called by the Madden’s,
that Guinness just wasn’t performing, and so he traveled east to see the horse.
When he got there, voila! It was not his horse Guinness, who had arrived at the
barn, it was some other black horse. Patrick, the trainer, just discovered this
in the past few days.
If you would please forward this info to every horse person you know. Who knows
where Guinness is? Maybe he’s at Joe’s? Who knows. Hopefully not in a Mexican
Rodeo somewhere, or …worse. I posted the flyer in the “photos” section of
this website. please help.
Thanks
Kylee[/QUOTE]
Everything I have read said Frank Madden’s barn… He is located on Long Island.
This is all a little fishy… I mean, I know I watch waayyyy too much CSI: Miami, but it’s been a long time since I’ve read a Jodi Jaffe novel (or Hot Blood:The Money, The Brach Heiress, the Horse Murders for that matter) and I don’t think I’m projecting here… I know it’s all conjecture at this point, but if a not-so-flashy (sorry Imitator…), toothless horse got off the trailer at your barn, supposing to be a GP horse… wouldn’t you call someone and double check? I know that sounds shallow, but if this horse was just shown before it got on the trailer, and GG was going to be sold, my guess is that GG was not looking scruffy that day. It’s the toothless that gets me. Again, shallow (but I’m thinking like a high roller 
haha jk), but I can’t think of a lot of people with that much money who would pay for a front-toothless horse when there’s another one coming along (again for… what… a couple hundred a least?) who has all his teeth and that aesthetic value?
Sorry. I’m procrastinating on a paper (or 4). And conspiracy theories are a lot more fun than what I have to write about…
And this is why I ship my horses myself, even if it means 3 trips across the country!!!
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Seriously? A winning GP jumper and you’d be worried about the aesthetics of some missing teeth? No wonder it’s so hard to sell horses these days! Although it surprises me that the BM/trainer didn’t ask about the teeth and if the horse needed any special dietary program, which would have clued the seller in immediately after the horse arrived…
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Seriously? A winning GP jumper and you’d be worried about the aesthetics of some missing teeth? No wonder it’s so hard to sell horses these days![/QUOTE]
I didn’t say I would be!! If someone was ready to hand me a GP horse that had GGs scope, it would take me approx. 2 milliseconds to take that deal. I’m just saying I’ve seen people turn down good horses for less! Again, I said it was shallow and I’m procrastinating and picking apart everything.
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I agree.
The only thing anyone really knows is that there is a horse named Good Guinness is he is for sale.
Everything else is speculation unless some statement by the parties invovled is made.[/QUOTE]
Patrick has made statements, no hoax. Who has the time to conjure up something to serious to be a hoax. Idk how this is so unbelievable. The story is true, nobody knows who’s to “blame” or who made the “mistake”. Withthe FBI though, let’s home they can do more of a serious job than the Police.
Honestly! Why all the speculation? Just do a good deed and spread the word that the horse is missing, people love him and would like to find out where he is or has been. Not hear about how their story is fishy or unbelievable, like hell it is! And they have to deal with it.
Spread the word!
This might be a lesson to all Shipping a horse long distance to braid a yellow cattle tag into the horse’s mane AND one in the tail with the horse’s name on it- made with a Sharpie… I received two horses from Europe once and insisted this be done with them…
Missing since September 2008 … and this is March 10, 2009?
