[QUOTE=NoSuchPerson;7992153]
But how many times on this forum have we seen someone post a video and say “here is a horse that is fluid/rhythmic/whatever,” and someone else say, “sorry, but I just don’t see anything fluid or rhythmic, or whatever in that horse’s movement?”[/QUOTE]
“It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races”
~Mark Twain
I’m not sorry to say that I consider this horse’s gaits painful to watch, and in the long run I suspect painful to the horse. I riders can’t sit a horse they need to buy a TWH, born to a flat gait, or a Paso.
[QUOTE=merrygoround;7993164]
I’m not sorry to say that I consider this horse’s gaits painful to watch, and in the long run I suspect painful to the horse. I riders can’t sit a horse they need to buy a TWH, born to a flat gait, or a Paso.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMltPKdDDs[/QUOTE]
Nah. I suspect long run pain to these horses
You have to drink the cool aid to fly on the spaceship.
[QUOTE=merrygoround;7993164]
I’m not sorry to say that I consider this horse’s gaits painful to watch [/QUOTE]
Is he awake? When he first enters the arena in that clip he’s moving along OK, but not anywhere near smoothly nor fun to sit. When he get’s to the rail his jog falls apart but smooths out. I was never a fan of watching peanut pushers. IMO the riders have more fun planning those outfits than actually riding a nice horse.
[QUOTE=merrygoround;7993164]
I’m not sorry to say that I consider this horse’s gaits painful to watch, and in the long run I suspect painful to the horse. I riders can’t sit a horse they need to buy a TWH, born to a flat gait, or a Paso.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMltPKdDDs[/QUOTE]
Nah. Freakish, for sure, but not painful at all. I placed well with a 2 yo when I was a kid, I had less than 30 days’ riding on her and I am talking 30 minute sessions tops (and the lope was 3 beat) and she never missed a beat, just learned what I wanted with no muss nor fuss nor contraptions. I will say, and you can see it in this 2 yo, both the sweat and the quality/evenness of the gaits, that it takes good abdominal strength to pull off these slow gaits and 2 yos aren’t there yet. But not painful, just fatiguing.
[QUOTE=SmartAlex;7993641]
When he get’s to the rail his jog falls apart but smooths out.[/QUOTE]
Yep, that’s a function of lack of muscling particularly abdominal. Fun to sit is relative, mine all were, luckily, but horses I showed for others, particularly those winning at halter, were like riding mixmasters.
I had a nice Appendix that we raised and he was fun and comfortable to ride. I even put a couple of points on him almost by accident. I rode that horse all over our farm and he was a true pleasure. I’ll never forget the class where my “farm horse” who I was so sure moved out too much to place well was passed and left in the dust by a couple of serious AQHA WP competitors. We won our class, and it was a large one. I was beyond ecstatic.
I remember one little horse I schooled for a friend. He had such an upright front end. He was like 20 miles of bad road. It actually hurt.
Yes, I’ve always enjoyed it when I beat the Big Guns- either the BNTs, or the rich kids who could by the fancy horses- on my little ol’ cheap trained by me horses. It was a big compliment too when now and then the judge asked me if the horse happened to be for sale.
ZCC at liberty is a nice western horse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLuejUCg5AI
another oldie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIdKMSAsR8
and Meh. If this horse is allowed to move out, he’s nicer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyRvsfIvMxY
nice reiner ,not cowed down and overbent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_4LTI4ke8E
solid walk and nice lopes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjnXCdeFR2M
[QUOTE=PeanutButterPony;7996184]
ZCC at liberty is a nice western horse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLuejUCg5AI
another oldie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyIdKMSAsR8
and Meh. If this horse is allowed to move out, he’s nicer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyRvsfIvMxY
nice reiner ,not cowed down and overbent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_4LTI4ke8E
solid walk and nice lopes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjnXCdeFR2M[/QUOTE]
sure, if you like that kind of thing. still not a ‘nice’ mover in my book.
[QUOTE=beowulf;7996206]
sure, if you like that kind of thing. still not a ‘nice’ mover in my book.[/QUOTE]
the grey you posted on page 1, though ducking behind the bit consistently, is a nice mover.
But that’s not a western horse.
This is the Western forum and we’re talking about soft jogs and lopes. There is a difference.
I could show you a nice moving racking horse but that wouldn’t answer the question either, would it?
[QUOTE=PeanutButterPony;7996227]
the grey you posted on page 1, though ducking behind the bit consistently, is a nice mover.
But that’s not a western horse.
This is the Western forum and we’re talking about soft jogs and lopes. There is a difference.
I could show you a nice moving racking horse but that wouldn’t answer the question either, would it?[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Why come to the western forum and argue about good movers if you just plain don’t like the way western horses go???
question for the western pleasure people. In a lot of the vids I have seen the horses are failing to track up at the jog by huge amounts. These have been show videos of horses that are being promoted as high quality/winning, so not unbiased, and I have no idea if the vids were taken in “good company” or if they were simply the best of the worst. Is that considered a fault or meh?
[QUOTE=sherian;7997387]
question for the western pleasure people. In a lot of the vids I have seen the horses are failing to track up at the jog by huge amounts. These have been show videos of horses that are being promoted as high quality/winning, so not unbiased, and I have no idea if the vids were taken in “good company” or if they were simply the best of the worst. Is that considered a fault or meh?[/QUOTE]
It is neither a fault nor “meh.” It is desirable. “Tracking up,” defined as the back hoof stepping in the print of the front hoof, is not consistent with the type of movement desired in a stock horse western pleasure class. I don’t think it would be possible for a horse to track up while performing a show ring WP jog.
omg the victory lap took like a half an hour! :lol:
thanks NoSuchPerson - people get hung up on the head carriage squabble and I have never had the chance to ask about tracking up.
[QUOTE=Flash44;7997203]
Exactly. Why come to the western forum and argue about good movers if you just plain don’t like the way western horses go???[/QUOTE]
Good point. And by the way, the palomino Reiner was a really nice horse. It is one that could go lots of directions. Not as downhill either.
I am just not a WP person, it looks painful to me. I like a western horse that has a smooth jog, can stretch out and really trot…lots of real cattle work is done at the trot. The lope actually goes somewhere and it is a true 3 beat.
Cow horses including ranch versatility horses are my favorite. I guess I am biased. I really don’t show, I get too nervous these days. So I guess we maybe comparing apples to oranges.
[QUOTE=sherian;7997387]
question for the western pleasure people. In a lot of the vids I have seen the horses are failing to track up at the jog by huge amounts. These have been show videos of horses that are being promoted as high quality/winning, so not unbiased, and I have no idea if the vids were taken in “good company” or if they were simply the best of the worst. Is that considered a fault or meh?[/QUOTE]
they don’t want what you’d call tracking up. They don’t want trailing hocks, but a jog can’t be that deep or we’re getting close to a piaffe. they want pitty pat steps , just a jog.
that VS Flatline horse…well, allowed to MOVE he’d be a nice english horse- he doesn’t have a jog like a good western pleasure horse IMO ( too much action)but I doubt he’ll end up hurt. He doesn’t have that stabby-toed thing that sores stifles.
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