They are so fast. Warning, Graphic.
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So…this is sport? Pretty brutal.
People here use Lurchers, and ‘they’ do consider it a sport.
Of course many of them have witnessed the brutality of the coyotes attaching new born calves.
IMHO… Two brutalities don’t equal a sport.
One of my neighbors used to have a pair of Irish wolfhounds. They could make short work of a coyote.
People have been using dogs to hunt for eons. My folks’ dogs take care of all the groundhogs at their farm; if they had dogs suitable for handling coyote, I’m sure they’d be delighted. Coyotes are no farmer’s friend…
My friend uses her whippets to keep coyotes off her property.
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People have been using dogs to hunt for eons. My folks’ dogs take care of all the groundhogs at their farm; if they had dogs suitable for handling coyote, I’m sure they’d be delighted. Coyotes are no farmer’s friend…[/QUOTE]
Eh…well…maybe.
Hunting with dogs does not = allowing dogs to rip their prey apart. While running down wolves or coyotes with dogs might once have been the only option to ridding a farm of prey animals…a good rifle would seem to be more accurate and effective.
I own hunting dogs and train my dogs to hunt upland game - so i’m not anti-hunting. But I am anti-killing for sport just because. I am not sure I think that the average rancher keeps a pack of lurchers for protection as much as sport.
I thought it was hard to find a lurchers in the States. I have a friend looking for one and he keeps complaining that there are none to be had.
I believe they use staghounds and other large sighthound crosses, longdogs in my area.
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Eh…well…maybe.
Hunting with dogs does not = allowing dogs to rip their prey apart. While running down wolves or coyotes with dogs might once have been the only option to ridding a farm of prey animals…a good rifle would seem to be more accurate and effective.
I own hunting dogs and train my dogs to hunt upland game - so i’m not anti-hunting. But I am anti-killing for sport just because. I am not sure I think that the average rancher keeps a pack of lurchers for protection as much as sport.[/QUOTE]
So you don’t approve because it not what you do ? What you do is alright but not this? They are not killing just “because”. Coyotes need to be culled, the birds they raise to be killed for the entertainment of upland hunters do not.
I see a pattern, you approve of gun ownership if it is the guns you use, and approve of dogs hunting if it is the kind of dogs you use.
As for shooting them with a rifle, hitting a running Coyote is not something you do with a rifle.
I guess Greyhounds should just chase fake rabbits around a track?
Probably a Brittany hunter, since you probably don’t approve of DK testing where they must trail and kill a fur bearing animal.
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So you don’t approve because it not what you do ? What you do is alright but not this? They are not killing just “because”. Coyotes need to be culled, the birds they raise to be killed for the entertainment of upland hunters do not.
I see a pattern, you approve of gun ownership if it is the guns you use, and approve of dogs hunting if it is the kind of dogs you use.
As for shooting them with a rifle, hitting a running Coyote is not something you do with a rifle.
I guess Greyhounds should just chase fake rabbits around a track?
Probably a Brittany hunter, since you probably don’t approve of DK testing where they must trail and kill a fur bearing animal.[/QUOTE]
Wow, Jim. Lots of assumptions.
I don’t know who made this video, but it looks like sport. And yes, I have opinions about sports i do and don’t approve of. Coyotes may need to be culled…or not. It certainly depends on the situation.
What i can tell you about my friends that hunt/train - and some of them do test DK - they do not post gleeful videos on the internet of them watching their dogs rip apart a live animal. In fact, that’s pretty much not tolerated whether there is video or not. Excess mouthing, chewing or eating the game gets marked down in a test.
PS Last year I gave my trainer a couple of rabbits that my dogs killed in the yard for him to train DK with…so you shouldn’t make assumptions. The difference is that I didn’t encourage my dogs to run down the rabbits and rip them to shreds while videotaping it.
Nothing like people that hunt pen raised birds, rocked to sleep for their dogs to point, then shot to pass judgement on others.What double standards. If they did shoot the coyotes they probably would have to use a gun you approve of. I hunt yotes with an AR, is that alright?
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Nothing like people that hunt pen raised birds, rocked to sleep for their dogs to point, then shot to pass judgement on others.What double standards. If they did shoot the coyotes they probably would have to use a gun you approve of. I hunt yotes with an AR, is that alright?[/QUOTE]
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You have no justification of your double standard?
Finding rocked to sleep birds is sport? How about when bird hunters put them in traps for the dog to find?
Unbelievable.
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You have no justification of your double standard?
Finding rocked to sleep birds is sport? How about when bird hunters put them in traps for the dog to find?
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Why are you throwing a tantrum because I don’t agree with your video? That’s not hunting. It’s just killing for fun. There is no skill involved. I also don’t agree with filming it and making it public.
Is it necessary? Maybe. I doubt it, but it might be. Still doesn’t make it hunting, and videotaping it just makes it entertainment for other people, as well as the ones who videoed it.
That said - yes, it’s my opinion. I have friends who don’t hunt their dogs because they think it’s unnecessary killing of birds. I respect their decision. I have friends that are vegetarians, and that are vegan. I respect their decision, too.
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Why are you throwing a tantrum because I don’t agree with your video? That’s not hunting. It’s just killing for fun. There is no skill involved. I also don’t agree with filming it and making it public.
Is it necessary? Maybe. I doubt it, but it might be. Still doesn’t make it hunting, and videotaping it just makes it entertainment for other people, as well as the ones who videoed it.
That said - yes, it’s my opinion. I have friends who don’t hunt their dogs because they think it’s unnecessary killing of birds. I respect their decision. I have friends that are vegetarians, and that are vegan. I respect their decision, too.[/QUOTE]
Do they respect you for shooting farm raised birds that are rocked to sleep?
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Do you test for DK on wild birds only? Or were you just using the phrase “DK” to make yourself sound cool?
I’m kind of on the fence about this one. As someone who grew up on a farm I absolutely understand that coyotes are not a farmers friend. However we would typically lure a coyote in and shoot it if we were having issues. Humane for everyone involved, and parts of the hide could still be used. We had friends who would take them to make mittens/hats, etc.
Also, Jim R, you’re really jumping to conclusions. Everyone I know with retrievers and pointers strictly hunts wild birds, and they eat everything they shoot. Not a single bird rocked to sleep…
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Also, Jim R, you’re really jumping to conclusions. Everyone I know with retrievers and pointers strictly hunts wild birds, and they eat everything they shoot. Not a single bird rocked to sleep…[/QUOTE]
Same here, but of course for training and testing, we use pen raised birds that are planted. Sometimes rocked to sleep, sometimes not. Sometimes pigeons under caps or in traps/launchers. I don’t hunt wild birds, personally, but not because I’m against hunting. Just don’t have the time. Not really sure what point JimR is trying to make about planted birds, anyway.
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Same here, but of course for training and testing, we use pen raised birds that are planted. Sometimes rocked to sleep, sometimes not. Sometimes pigeons under caps or in traps/launchers. I don’t hunt wild birds, personally, but not because I’m against hunting. Just don’t have the time. Not really sure what point JimR is trying to make about planted birds, anyway.[/QUOTE]
That you are passing judgment on how others hunt. I have no problem with planted birds, I want to work my dog. I am just pointing that out your double standard. The way you hunt is fine and how others hunt is wrong.
