Repeatedly using a horse’s stall as a personal toilet is sick. Where do you suppose he washed his hands ?
Probably in the horse’s water bucket.
:lol: ahem
a) He probably didn’t wash his hands.
b) Hands can be cleaned somewhere other than a horse’s water bucket, even if things are primitive. A barn may not have convenient toilet facilities, but there are hoses. And soap, even if it is horse soap.
(Not that this has anything to do with the case at hand - studies show that the majority of Americans do not wash their hands after toileting.)
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Oh at a show! Yes, of course. I’m thinking even in our big Agriplex buildings, once the portable stalls are set up the restrooms can be miles away and might even have a lineup. I was thinking of at home. But duh. Yes, this is something that would be happening at a show because that’s where the horse would be drug tested. I can totally see peeing in the stall at a show because you don’t have 15 or 2O minutes to leave horse gear etc unattended and go hike across the concourse. Especially if you are a man and won’t be risking getting your underpants full of shavings.
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really? I guess you are not in barns as much as grooms or me! LOL
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How about the same way you clean them when you walk way too far to use the available porta-potty at a horse show? <gasp>
I have peed in my horse’s stall at my house. Ya know, when all I had to do to have modern plumbing was walk back into my very own house. I happen to have hand wipes in the barn (because I hate when the wet cat food gets on my fingers, it stinks) that I use after I pee in my poor abused horse’s stall.
I am guessing (clearly just guessing) that maybe the horse might have spread hay around, which got contaminated and then was eaten.
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I wonder if some of these drugs can be absorbed through the sole of the hoof. Stand in human pee spot, the liquid with the trace amounts of drugs get wicked into the sole and frog and into the blood stream.
Interesting article on drug contamination on ship in stalls at Charles Town race track.
https://nationalhbpa.com/an-in-depth-look-at-stall-contamination/
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I know a few adults who have difficulty swallowing pills. I would guess that it then needs to be taken multiple times per day because you lose the time-release aspect.
Repeatedly using a horse’s stall as a personal toilet is sick. Where do you suppose he washed his hands ?
Probably in the horse’s water bucket.
Seriously?
What do you think happens in barns without nearby toilet facilities? You have horses but you’ve never been in a situation where you have to pee in a stall or a trailer?
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Obviously you haven’t been to very many old barns…toilet…what’s that?
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This was my thought too. Thinking back to my boarding history and I boarded at far more places that did not have any toilet facilities (not even a porta-potty) than did have something.
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This is what I was thinking. Sometimes I think that people imagine the CDI barn at a horse show is super fancy. Quite often, it is exactly the same stabling that regular riders have - just fenced off to control access. I’ve seen if fenced off with orange construction fence. It can be temp stabling under a tent - no restroom anywhere near it.
I’m a little surprised that the concentration in urine from a groom on the horse’s bedding led to a positive test, but maybe this is a very common practice by this particular groom.
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I’m not surprised according to the article and the FEI drug report. We are talking about nanograms worth of drug detected in the horse. The groom was taking 10 milligrams, 2-3 times a day. That’s 30,000,000 nanograms, the horse getting 2.4-3.6 nanograms from excretion out of that is completely within the realm of possibility.
“the horse upon ingestion of all the Groom’s deposit, would excrete through urine a max concentration of 11 ng/ml which would be 4 times higher than the estimated concentration found in the horse’s sample (between Page 8 of 12 2.4ng/ml and 3.6ng/ml).”
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Nope. Still once daily dosing :).
That makes sense. Or through a shaved area of skin or a cut on the skin?
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Horses lay down in their own pee and poop in stalls, because we confine them there and they don’t have a choice. So it would make sense that if the groom is peeing in the same spot and it’s more saturated, or if the horse is moving around and mixing the shavings, the horse could be laying in it.
I have this mental image that the pee is buried under shavings in a corner, where it is not likely to contact the horse. But it could be anywhere.
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I gave the groom the benefit of the doubt about washing his hands. If he leaves the stall and uses a hose to clean his hands, how did the hands get clean before he touched the faucet to turn on the hose ? Maybe he just wiped his hands on his pants as he left the stall. Maybe. 
I use the hand cleaner in the porta-potty before I come out.
Not saying peeing in a stall is horrible. Most horse people have done it (me too !)
But repeatedly, over the course of a day, urinating in the same stall, is just beyond.
Welllll…the old racehorse barn where I started riding in the 60’s had a permanent restroom with a shower.
Every barn since then had a bathroom.
Have done both.
