Groom peeing in stall, and horse tests positive

[OverandOnward]

@Mardi

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Not saying peeing in a stall is horrible. Most horse people have done it (me too !)
But repeatedly, over the course of a day, urinating in the same stall, is just beyond.

Well bless your heart.

If you are out there all day (even longer) with no facilities easily available … what are you doing, rotating stalls? Dashing off into the bushes here & there, just to spread things around?

Assuming you have one horse, that is, so one stall to go with one horse. If you have multiple horses and a choice of multiple stalls, then of course you have options. :yes:

[I’m not sure you are quite getting it yet, but basically you are accusing about half of the posters in this thread of being “sick” and “just beyond”. :winkgrin: ]

[OverandOnward]

@Mardi

Welllll…the old racehorse barn where I started riding in the 60’s had a permanent restroom with a shower.
Every barn since then had a bathroom.

Sounds like that thing they call “privilege”. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If only all the world had been so blessed, all those years ago. And now, too. :winkgrin:

[alicen]

@OverandOnward

I have this mental image that the pee is buried under shavings in a corner, where it is not likely to contact the horse. But it could be anywhere.

Bedding in Europe is more likely to be straw. I wonder if that would make a difference …

[Scribbler]

@alicen

Bedding in Europe is more likely to be straw. I wonder if that would make a difference …

Absolutely. I expect my horse would happily eat an entire stall full of straw. She has also be known to eat pine shavings but not the mixed white wood shavings, which is what she gets now.

[Brown_Derby]

@SonnysMom

I wonder if some of these drugs can be absorbed through the sole of the hoof. Stand in human pee spot, the liquid with the trace amounts of drugs get wicked into the sole and frog and into the blood stream.

Wow. All these years I’ve been drinking wine when I should be soaking my feet in it.

[MuskokaLakesConnemaras]

Umm the question should be who HASN’T Peed in a stall!?! Lol!!!

[AZ_TD]

@alicen

Bedding in Europe is more likely to be straw. I wonder if that would make a difference …

Yes, when I lived in Germany, all the stalls were bedded with straw. Many horses will eat straw, I know mine would if she had the opportunity!

[alibi_18]

@Brown Derby

Wow. All these years I’ve been drinking wine when I should be soaking my feet in it.

You should know that it is possible for horses to absorb toxins or other stuff from their hooves.
Try putting your horse in black walnut bedding… Hello laminitis and probable death in less than 24hrs.

[HDuckie]

Not buying this story. From pubchem, aripipazole being abilify:
Route of Elimination

25% of a given dose will be eliminated in urine and 55% in the feces[Label,A177910]. <1% of a dose is eliminated in the urine as unmetabolized aripiprazole and approximately 18% of a dose will be eliminated in the feces unmetabolized

edit- i am unsure if the test used on the horse could pick up the metabolites of aripiprazole or if it can only detect the unmetabolized drug. Either way, the 10mg dose would end up as <0.1mg of unmetabolized/unaltered aripriprazole. Just my thoughts- I’m no chemist so I may be wrong so please correct me

[alicen]

@Brown Derby

Wow. All these years I’ve been drinking wine when I should be soaking my feet in it.

Yeah, but only the cheap stuff that doesn’t taste so good.

[alicen]

@alibi_18

You should know that it is possible for horses to absorb toxins or other stuff from their hooves.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/juglone

“The toxin appears to be absorbed through the coronary band and skin.”

[Mardi]

@OverandOnward

[I’m not sure you are quite getting it yet, but basically you are accusing about half of the posters in this thread of being “sick” and “just beyond”. :winkgrin: ]

Everyone here agrees that it’s a normal to pee in a stall or trailer at a horse show, or home barn, and most people have done it.

We part ways when a groom does it repeatedly during the day in the stall(s). If he worked for me, after the second time I’d tell him to go use the bathroom.

Some people here will be shocked and appalled to read that.

Oh well.

[Scribbler]

@Mardi

Everyone here agrees that it’s a normal to pee in a stall or trailer at a horse show, or home barn, and most people have done it.

We part ways when a groom does it repeatedly during the day in the stall(s). If he worked for me, after the second time I’d tell him to go use the bathroom.

Some people here will be shocked and appalled to read that.

Oh well.

Hmmm. Said groom is taking an antipsychotic med several times a day. If I was his boss I’d be happy if he was just maintaining good normal functionality. I’d be saving my feedback for the serious stuff. Also, how would anyone know he was peeing in the stall until this came to light? The volume of human pee even several times a day is tiny compared to how much a stalled horse pees. I mean one pee from a horse would easily fill the human 24 hour collection jug they hand out at the medical testing lab!

[AZ_TD]

@alicen

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/juglone

“The toxin appears to be absorbed through the coronary band and skin.”

Most horses lie down and or roll in their stalls, so there would be plenty of opportunity for skin contact.

[pluvinel]

@Mardi

Everyone here agrees that it’s a normal to pee in a stall or trailer at a horse show, or home barn, and most people have done it.

We part ways when a groom does it repeatedly during the day in the stall(s). If he worked for me, after the second time I’d tell him to go use the bathroom.

Some people here will be shocked and appalled to read that.

Oh well.

You seem to be missing the concept that in some barns there is NO BATHROOM…Like nada…nothing…zero…zilch.

Most people I know who work in these locations manage their bodily functions so that all they need to do is urinate in a stall during the course of their work day.

Oh…and is it sexist that you assume that this groom person is a “he?” Because of all the grooms I know, they are all “hers.”

[alibi_18]

@Scribbler

Hmmm. Said groom is taking an antipsychotic med several times a day. If I was his boss I’d be happy if he was just maintaining good normal functionality. I’d be saving my feedback for the serious stuff. Also, how would anyone know he was peeing in the stall until this came to light? The volume of human pee even several times a day is tiny compared to how much a stalled horse pees. I mean one pee from a horse would easily fill the human 24 hour collection jug they hand out at the medical testing lab!

Not only that, but he’s probably the one cleaning the stall anyway. As a groom, he’s getting the horse ready; I doubt the owner/rider would go into the stall, so I doubt they would have notice it.

@alicen Oh, and thanks for the info. I stand corrected, I was sure it could go through the frog.

[ladyj79]

My rider regularly peed in the stalls, most people who are spending hours in the barns will pee in the stall from time to time.

Lier for instance has one pay toilet in the complex and zero porta potties. Lots of peeing in the stall there.

while straw is the most common day to day bedding in Europe, at most shows, most people are bedding on shavings.

the overwhelming majority of grooms I know weren’t doing drugs, especially like coke. It was more common among the riders, but still not super common.

[alicen]

@pluvinel

Oh…and is it sexist that you assume that this groom person is a “he?” Because of all the grooms I know, they are all “hers.”

And the poster would have been equally at fault if the poster had written “she”. ( Notice how I’m trying to avoid assigning a gender here.) Pronouns have gotten so tricky. Best to stick to “they” even if some of us are offended by the plurality.

[OverandOnward]

@Mardi

Everyone here agrees that it’s a normal to pee in a stall or trailer at a horse show, or home barn, and most people have done it.

We part ways when a groom does it repeatedly during the day in the stall(s). If he worked for me, after the second time I’d tell him to go use the bathroom.

Some people here will be shocked and appalled to read that.

Oh well.

You do you, my dear. You do you. Along with all of your judgments, I guess. Carry on.

[paw]

I’m just still gobsmacked that anyone peeing in a stall would be enough for a horse to test postivie. Color me very doubtful.