Gross Cat Breath- post vet update

Two years ago, we caught dear Willis in a raccoon trap on accident, had him neutered, and he became my First Cat.

It became apparent early on that he had stinky cat breath (really, really stinky). I asked the vet about this (at ~one year old, his teeth were not in need of cleaning) and she handed me a packet of kitty dental treats. Willis doesn’t like them, but the dog does!

Willis eats The Honest Kitchen cat food. Occasionally he’ll steal some zucchini or bread off an abandoned plate, but this is pretty rare. He is also rarely given some ground meat or scrambled eggs in his dinner. I check his teeth regularly and there still isn’t significant tarter build up.

The internet tells me that cats should not have bad breath (particularly awful sewage breath) and that something must be wrong, but the vet is not interested and there doesn’t seem to be a problem. Willis is super active and otherwise functions as a cat. He does produce puddles of drool when cuddled, but I assumed that was just an unfortunate feature of cats.

So… cat breath- problem needing to be uncovered and solved or “sorry your cat has stinky breath”

I’d pursue further with the vet–maybe find a new one if your current one continues to be so dismissive. Cats can be so tough to examine. He may need to be sedated for dental radiographs and a full exam.

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He could have an abscessed tooth, broken tooth, extreme tartar, a whole host of issues. Get a second opinion. Cat’s breath is not the most fragrant, but it shouldn’t smell foul.

Ella has drooled since the day I found her when she was three months old, she is 5 now. She only drools when we are having our hugs and cuddles and she’s excited and not at rest, she drools a lot and in fairly large amounts. I do notice she has an odd but not bad/strong odour to her breath and her drool is sticky as well. Three different vets said that it may be stomach acids acting up because she’s excited and that it’s not something to worry about.

I have found that feral cats, even once years captured, always have worse breath.

I always assumed that it had something to do with what they ate when they were 100% feral (pre-human). I imagine downing carcasses would introduce a whole host of bacteria / germs that a normal household cat would never be exposed to.

Interesting.

My concern is that it’s a dental issue, but he lets me poke around in his mouth, I take a look at his back teeth when he yawns, and it’s been the same for 2 years, so I don’t know what it would be at this point. But I’ll definitely pursue a more thourough examiniation at his upcoming yearly health check.

@beowulf , that’s good to know. I did wonder if it had to do with his feral time, but at first I though it might be a symptom of a chronic lung infection or something. Once his health was cleared, my thoughts turned to dead things and scarfed garbage.

I wish the the other feral cats would let me smell their breath, but I’ve never even been close to touching them.

Ella was 100% feral and had most likely eaten from her dead mum and litter mates before I found her, actually she found me. She was estimated to be 3 months when I rescued her, how would any bacteria she ingested that young still affect her breath at 5yrs old?

Interesting thread. I have one with relatively bad breath. He eats exactly the same thing (good quality wet food) as my other boy, so it’s not directly food-related. I wonder if there’s something to the stomach acid theory. My bad-breath kitty has mild stomach acid that causes him to vomit if he goes long periods between meals. (Thus he gets small amounts of kibble between his regular wet-food meals.) He had his teeth cleaned just a few months ago, so it probably isn’t his teeth. Maybe there’s something to the idea that his stomach acid is causing the bad breath.

I believe it is stomach acids that causes both the drooling and the smelly smelly breath, when you think about it we humans are the same. When Ella gets her hugs and cuddles her tail puffs up really big and quivers like a rattlesnake tail and then the drooling starts. It’s not just a little bit of drool and it’s fairly sticky with whatever enzymes their saliva carries.

Just for notes comparison, Willis’ drool is very watery more than sticky. It pools up in his mouth and then when he turns his head it all runs out all over the unlucky individual holding him (usually me).

He’s also not a regular puker. I think he vomited once in the last two years and that was after my husband spilled a huge amount a goldfish crackers and Willis scarfed a bunch before they were all cleaned up.

I feel better than I’m not the only one with a stinky kitty! I’d still like to fix it if I can though…

Not an expert, so I don’t know - but I assume that it likely has something to do with the bacteria + flora introduced to the stomach, which doesn’t just get “wiped out” each time you have a meal.

It was just something i have noticed with our TNRs, which most of them we keep… They always have distinctly different breath from their pampered housecat counterparts, even years down the road.

Ella’s is clear and watery when it first comes out but turns a bit sticky as it’s drying. That’s just the natural enzymes all cats have that turns into dander on their own fur when the bath themselves.

Lol, it does pool up in her mouth and then starts on a slow dribble that increases to a steady flow. If I smack my lips she remembers to swallow and then it’s not so bad. I don’t think Ella has ever puked that I know of.

Since it sounds like the vet has otherwise given your kitty a clean bill of health… there’s a fatty acid supplement called 1-TDC that has been unbelievable at improving all my pets’ dental health. It’s a little gel cap that you twist the top off of, then squeeze the contents out over their gums (my cats like the taste, they don’t fight it).

My big dog had AWFUL breath for no apparent reason (clean teeth, totally normal physical workup and bloodwork). Within 3 days of starting 1-TDC, his breath issues resolved completely. It’s also been awesome for resolving gingivitis in both my kitties - the reduction in inflammation is unreal.

I know I sound like an ad for this stuff, but I swear my testimonial is legit! This stuff is awesome.

https://smile.amazon.com/1-TDC-Dual-Action-Natural-Support/dp/B00CAB5PU2

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Sammy (13 yrs) developed some awful breath last year so I took him to the vet, said his teeth needed cleaning but they wound up having to pull 4 and one was so infected she said he was shaking even under anesthesia when they worked on it.

No more horrible breath and I’m sure he feels 100% better! I’d have his teeth cleaned and if they don’t find anything then I’d try some of the dental treats or brushing them daily.

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Interesting… I have a Maine Coon with Stomatitis and I have been managing it for about 3-4 years fairly successfully (no teeth removed yet and he is 10). Per the vet I put EFAC on his gums every day. That’s this stuff and all the early literature on stomatitis recommended it (there is a pet version but as usual it costs … more).

https://smile.amazon.com/EFAC-Joint-Health-Lubrication-Softgels/dp/B007I6UJGE/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1538509487&sr=8-1&keywords=efac+capsules&dpID=41wkG-1mj4L&preST=SY300_QL70&dpSrc=srch

It kind of sounds like 2 sides of the same coin when I read the description. I also give them ProDen PlaqueGuard, which I swear is just repackaged Source Micronutrients… I’m not sure it does much, but any port in the autimmune storm, I guess.

I can say the EFAC doesn’t do much for bad breath though. Taking him in for his toof cleaning fixes that!

That said, I have another cat (a rescue, but as a kitten) about the same age. She has some serious Trench Mouth. When I took her in for teeth cleaning it didn’t do much for it, it helped, but not as much as I thought. But she has always been prone to a little seasonal (or possibly stress) upper respiratory issues. Not enough to ever make her feel puny, but I’ll get some bouts of “sneezles” as I call them once or twice a year. Also she had several episodes of conjunctivitis in the last 12 months as well. My thought is (having dealt with sinus issues) is all that nasal congestion ultimately makes its way to the back of the throat and maybe she has some persistent UR viral issue that spikes into bacterial periodically and that is the cause. For sure she’s the only one I have had with that level of odor (thankfully she likes to sleep at my feet because it could wake the dead if she yawned)

Willis had his yearly appointment yesterday with a different vet from last year and he DOES need a dental cleaning! So we did blood work to make sure everything was A-ok in preparation for his appointment next week.

But Willis didn’t want to eat dinner last night or breakfast this morning, so I called the clinic to make sure it was ok for cats to feel punky after vaccines. It turns out they were about to call me because his bloodwork came back with concerning kidney indicators! So DH left work to take him to the clinic for subQ fluids.

But now I’m so scared for Willis! He’s only 2 and I feed him healthy soupy food specifically to avoid kidney issues. Whyy

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i looked up your link and it says it’s made of beef tallow. We used to pour all meat fat into a tin cup where it congealed so that we could throw it out rather
than have it go down the drain.
I recall our in/out door cats, ate mice, squirrels, but I recall seeing that they would occasionally take bites of that beef fat.
Your post jogged that memory.

So sorry you and Willis are going through this.

I’ve had three vets tell me that for cats with kidney/bladder issues to feed strictly prescription Royal Canin Urinary SO wet or dry and absolutely nothing else.

:eek: :eek:

I do the same thing for the same reason and omg that’s scary! I hope Willis is okay!

I’m actually decently frustrated right now with the vet’s office, but the kitty does seem ok. The vet had referenced him as 2 years old, but later I realized he’s at least 3, because we’ve had him for 2 years.

After his subcutaneous fluids, Willis returned to his normal rambunctious, “scream for dinner” self. DH took him back to the vet Monday for another blood draw, and at the point, the vet said that he “seems” healthy enough for his Wednesday dental cleaning, but we’d see how the bloodwork looks.

Today a tech called to confirm his dental cleaning for tomorrow, but when I asked whether his blood test looked ok, she didn’t know anything about it and the vet we had been working with us out today. I called back later and they still didn’t have the blood test results but also still didn’t want to postpone the dental.

So I’m confused. The vet had acted like it was a BIG DEAL and said she’d likely recommend a kidney ultrasound with the additional blood tests. But they also keep saying we can move forward with his dental… Isn’t the whole point of the pre-anesthesia blood test preventing putting a kitty under if they have a mysterious internal organ issue going on?