Guardian dogs / homes pros and cons?

[S1969]

[QUOTE=SonnysMom;7867886]
A local breeder does something similar. They give out the females on “breeders terms”. You keep the female until age 1 or 1 1/2 years old. She is bred to male of their choice. You welp her and keep the puppies until weaning. The owner of the female gets 2nd choice of litter. You can either keep that puppy or the breeder will pay you for the puppy. A year later you do the same thing. Once the second litter is weaned then they will sign the papers over to you.

I was told that the breeder mixes multiple weaned litters of puppies in the same pen back at the kennel. Not sure how they keep track of which litter is which. The buyers only get to meet Dad since the bitch doesn’t live there. My understanding is this breeder ships puppies all over the world. They don’t seem to show and seem to primarily breed for size. I can normally tell when I see an adult dog if it came from this kennel as they are so big compared to breed standard. It is not uncommon to see female dobermans in the 90-100 pound range.

Although looking at their website they still do breeder terms but it appears to be one litter now and no puppy. The website does show that the studs are all champions but from countries like Serbia. Good luck confirming that. The Rotties don’t seem to have champions on them. If I remember correctly they have breed Filas and Shar-peis in the past.

Puppy mill to my mind.[/QUOTE]

:eek: Ugh…where is the headsmack icon?

Just what the average new dog owner should be doing – whelping puppies. :no::no: (nothing could go wrong there, right?)
And super easy breeds to work with, too. No temperament issues, I’m sure. :no:

[RacetrackReject]

[QUOTE=sophie;7859223]
I am about to become a guardian for a local breeder. Dog is 3 years old and after her last litter, she would be spayed and belong to me.

Any experience on the board with doing this?[/QUOTE]

Oooh, will this be another poodle C? So glad you are looking into getting another dog.

[sophie]

Sonnysmom - wow, that really is NOT right in my book. What “my” breeder does not sound like puppy mill practice to me, at all.

RR - Yes, hopefully! Fingers crossed

[pezk]

My daughter is a guardian for a local breeder. She has a stud, the breeder borrows him once or twice a yr. When the dog is 5, he is neutered and belongs completely to my daughter. Every test imaginable has been done on this dog. Sounds like a good deal to me.
I don’t know about the females.

[Bicoastal]

[QUOTE=SonnysMom;7867886]
It is not uncommon to see female dobermans in the 90-100 pound range.
…The website does show that the studs are all champions but from countries like Serbia. Good luck confirming that. The Rotties don’t seem to have champions on them. If I remember correctly they have breed Filas and Shar-peis in the past.
Puppy mill to my mind.[/QUOTE]

I think I know who you are talking about. Let’s see if I’m right. Puppies are categorized by size: standard, oversize, and superior. Flagrant disregard for the breed standard! They have diet info on their website designed to produce larger litters with bigger puppies and the guardian will receive a bonus for those big puppies. Are we thinking of the same place?

Notorious in the dog world. Loads of people are buying their bull, because they are still in business and, by all appearances, business is booming!

[sophie]

Update on that dog - she is a sweetie and we love her! She has not been trained properly tho, and at 3 years old, has no call back for instance, but we are making progress. She loves being with us, and even the cat is warming up to her, lol. The breeder was very nice and no-nonsense, and I have a good feeling about this.