H&H Article: Thoroughbreds just as good as other breeds in 5* Eventing

Thought COTHers might enjoy this article. :smile:

Across country, thoroughbreds were “significantly more likely” to jump clear inside the time compared to non-thoroughbreds – almost 14% of all thoroughbred entries from the data had no cross-country penalties – but non-thoroughbreds were twice as likely to showjump clear than thoroughbreds.

It was fascinating to see that a lot of public perception is correct; thoroughbreds do not score as well in dressage and as someone who’s always ridden thoroughbreds, I understand that to be true. I think we could further disseminate it to look at whether that’s truly because thoroughbreds are not as good at dressage, or because there is a judging bias, or because Olympians tend to have a lot of funding and are probably not on thoroughbreds.

Bold mine as it was an interesting statement to me. I’ve felt it can be 50/50. I’ve found if I don’t say my horse is a TB, he tends to get much more positively framed remarks.

Also would be worth exploring if TBs that never started (for racing) statistically score better than those that do. Thinking of the very high percentage blood/TBs (Sam, Abraxas) that were competitive in dressage. It could be that the starting for racing is detrimental to their dressage success, not the breed. N=1 here but I’ve found dressage so much easier on TBs that never raced (or were started to race), versus those that did.

What is really interesting to me about this article is how it indirectly reinforces how much weight dressage has in final placings; despite the fact TBs appear to be statistically more likely to jump clear inside the time (and 14% have no XC penalties - a huge number), they aren’t winning as often as other breeds.

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My late DH (Grand Prix showjumper, FEI veterinarian from Europe) used to say something to the effect that the very best TBs could easily compete w any other breed EXCEPT they rarely made it into the hands of people talented enough to make them up as show horses. They wound up on breeding farms.
My beloved TB routinely beat WBs in the hunter ring.

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Duh.

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Smart man he was!!

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I think Monica Spencer’s Artist has done more for the TB in modern eventing than any other horse as of late. A TB who can also be competitive in dressage? Now everyone wants one again!

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Bit of a brag- I bought a TB from Carleigh before she moved to Colorado, about 2 years ago.
He’s 7 now and still has some punk/ baby horse moments, but he’s an amazing athlete and I’m grateful for the amazing post track restart that Carleigh gave him.
I thought my 3’6” days were in the past, but Seb says ‘Hold my beer and grab some mane!’

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We have short memories - Parklane Hawk, Clifton Promise, Willingapark Clifford. That’s just me naming full TB 5* winners off the top of my head from the last decade.

Parklane Hawk was under the saddle of William Fox-Pitt and won two. Clifton Promise won That Badminton (when WFP and Andrew went head to head for the Grand Slam and Michael and Sam were there too - the full TB beat them all) and was second at two other 5 stars. Clifford is one of only four horses in the history of the sport (the other three being Priceless, La Biosthetique Sam, and Ballaghmor Class) to win four or more 5*/championships in his career.

Phenomenal horses.

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Oh I agree they were great horses. But they also were competitive a decade or more ago.

The sport has changed a lot in a very short time.

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I’m not sure I’d totally agree with this. Clifford just won his fourth Adelaide two months ago. Parklane Hawk was putting up 26 and change in dressage (once you adjust for the multiplier), Clifton Promise was even lower (as low as 24.4). Both good show jumpers and fast, brave cross country horses. Horses with that profile are very much candidates to win the biggest events, even today.

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Maybe breeders will take note of this article, and want their own Clifford or Artist and try to breed it.

One can hope. It is concerning that the numbers are dwindling.

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My bad, I totally did not see you add Willagapark Clifford in there. I just saw the other two and glossed over him. Yes, he did win and at 20!!!

Fair point that the horses would still be scoring competitively today.

Although I think you will hear it time and time again from the top riders that nearly all of them want a TB on XC but those who want to truly be competitive feel they have to look elsewhere.

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