Had experience with quittor?

In over forty years of earning my horsemanship chops, I had never heard of it. Had a client with a late teens gelding that was exhibiting EXTREME bad ground manners. Was a peach on the lunge line (if you could get the surcingle on)! He was a rescue and came with the warning that “he gets abscesses frequently.” I was horrified by that as it shouted hoof neglect to me – his feet were in pretty bad shape when she brought him home (rescue).

Anyway, we figured this guy had medical issues going on so got him on a proper diet, wormed and vaccinated him, had his teeth floated (vet said they weren’t too bad), and of course had the farrier out post haste. I was training him on the ground only because he was so underweight for a while. The thing is, he never once took a lame step!

Fast forward a month: He’s only slightly better with ground manners, still a HUGE pain in the butt to get him to take a bridle, and would break out of the cross ties any chance he got. I finally had had it. We had addressed all of the physical issues we could find, and had been taking great pains that we weren’t scaring him or otherwise exacerbating some emotional injury or fear issue he may have been hiding. His behavior just wouldn’t improve.

Finally, when he broke out of the cross ties, I got some help and got him caught. Then I took him back to his stall and asked my helpers to assist with holding him. I wanted to put the bridle on to let him know that breaking away wasn’t a good way to escape the lesson being imparted. He fought way more than he should have, (by this time the vet had been out numerous times and assured us there was nothing wrong with his teeth, face or mouth that should have caused this) and I got irritated and slapped him on the neck and yelled, “Knock it off!” Well color me surprised when he relaxed, dropped his head and took the bit like a gentleman. Then the next day when I went to turn him out, I opened the stall door with a halter and lead in my hand and he BLEW out of the stall, over me, knocking me to the ground. No idea what brought that on but the owner was there and she was certain he was now afraid of me. You had to be there, but believe me when I tell you I did nothing whatever to frighten this horse. Unfortunately, the owner was horrified that I would “hit” her horse (the day before), and promptly fired me. That was a little hurtful, especially since he’d just tried to kill me, but part of the job. It’s her horse and her call. So we actually parted friends. She said she was going to try a natural horsemanship trainer. I wished her the best of luck.

Two weeks later she called me. It seems the horse was getting worse, not better with the new training paradigm. He had gotten to the point that she was afraid of him and wanted him gone. I told her I would check with some rescues and trainer friends and see if anyone would take him. Before I had a chance to do that, I got a call about 3 days later. She told me that she was going to have him put down. I was shocked! I said, no, wait until I can find him a home. She told me that she had the vet out for one last chance to see if we had just somehow missed a pain problem. Well, boy had we. The vet that had been treating him took x-rays of his hind feet on that last visit. The horse that never took a lame step STILL had abscesses in both back feet. This is what made the vet suspicious. The x-rays confirmed, he had a quittor. I had never heard of such a thing so I Googled it and discovered that it is a bone infection that stems from chronic untreated abscesses. It can be cured with long term antibiotics and diligent care of the blown abcesses, but the vet felt that this poor horse had been dealing with it for a very long time. It was his advice to put him out of his suffering. (Not a young horse.) He had been in horrific pain and was trying to tell us the only way he knew how.

Moral of the story? If all normal training methods do not work, there is something physical going on with the horse, no matter how empty all the vet work may be coming up. Don’t stop looking! This whole episode was a CF from the get-go and I feel horrible about it. There is always stuff to learn. :frowning:

Yes, I know, you feel terrible when that happens.

We were starting feral horses, fifteen every summer and had a good system.
They were all very gentle and riding well by fall and most sold to other riding centers.

All but this one four year old mare by her teeth, that we did just as with all other horses.
She was wonderfully smart and quick to learn, we longed, saddled her and when they gave me a leg up, she went to bucking and after some wild jumps every which way dumped me.
So, we regrouped and tried again, same result, super gentle, until I very carefully put any weight on her back.
We tried all kinds of ways, caught in the moment, trying to figure what was going on.

We checked the saddle, her back and could not find anything.
We asked the vet later when he came by to check her and she had at some time broken some ribs and they healed back where they caused her pain on her back, he found, once he pushed hard.
She was never going to be a riding or driving horse or even a broodmare, carrying a foal would cause her pain also.

We were so, so sorry we didn’t quit right off, amazed she still was trusting us all along.
She never didn’t get wilder or worse or at least uncooperative, but only acted up with weight on her back.
Any other horse would, like the OP’s horse, let people know they hurt and not want anyone close.
That was way over 50 years ago, but you never forget how ashamed you were to not realize something was just too wrong right off and caused a horse pain.

We can’t ever apologize enough when that happens.

As for quittor, that is one of those you learn in books, rarely have a horse that is diagnosed with it.

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Quittor is not a bone infection. It is a chronic infection of the collateral cartilage. It is usually pretty obvious.

https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-p…ttor-in-horses

Do a quick Google of images, you will see what quittor really is. You need an accurate diagnosis before you decide the horse’s fate.

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OP, I know exactly how you feel. A more embarrassing story for you…

I was visiting a family member (not a horse person) who’s neighbor had just gotten her daughter a new horse–would I come and watch her ride it? So I did and told her that the horse was lame (maybe more sore than really lame) and she might need to call the vet out. The next day the vet came and I went over and the diagnosis was scratches!?! I have seen lots of scratches in my life, but never that bad so I didnt recognize it! I was really really embarrassed in front of the vet!

Those of us who have been lucky enough to ride at well managed barns, sometimes don’t recognize acute conditions.

I didn’t know about quittor, either.

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Except that even if it’s not that, the horse is still unrideable and borderline dangerous to handle, so euthanizing is likely for the best.

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If finding out what is wrong with the horse involves too much time, too much money, or there is a risk the animal will injure someone [or it’s self] in the mean time, euthanasia may be required.

But posting a misrepresentation an easily researched and diagnosed ailment, in order to can justify disposing of an exasperating animal, is less than smart.

Csaper58 - my misstatement was due to my own ignorance. The diagnosis was correct. An abscess had blown out the fetlock, well above the coronary band, i.e., not in the hoof and after 2 months was not healing. But yes, your description is the correct one, I got it wrong. Thank you for the clarification.

Thanks all. The horse was humanely destroyed. :frowning: Hard lesson to learn.

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Sometimes a quick, humane, death is the best/only thing we have to offer the animals we can not make better.

Hope his owner finds peace in the decision and another horse to enjoy.

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This is the absolute truth. I’ve seen a lot of “problem” horses being sold, with the idea that a different owner might fix the problem when it’s obvious there’s something physically wrong with the horse. Never said anything (suggested they see a vet), not sure if I should have.

Best wishes that the owners find a nice horse.

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