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Good Luck with your new horse. He is probably out of the old Gotthard line…?
Great horses- dressage and jumping- come from that line!![/QUOTE]
Well, if this is him…he does have Gotthard as his grandsire.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/graziano5
What’s his bottom line mean? I’ve read there are even R lines? 
Is anyone familiar with W lines? Are they more jumper or dressage?
I have a hanoverian that I am leasing that is Absatz (sp) on top and Grande on bottom. He is a lovely little 15.2 dressage gelding but not a real flashy mover. He is a nice boy with a good disposition. I also just recently purchased a 2 year old gelding by Bergamon out of a Der Radinsky daughter. He is registered Oldenburg and has a puppy dog personality. These two are my fist WB horses and they have been wonderful. 
jumping
I’ve always had the impression that classical training required a horse to do both, then specialize later based on individual aptitude. The idea is to have a well-rounded, sensible horse who loves his/her job.
That’s my goal with my mare, anyway, after reading klimke’s young horse book (totally blanking on the title here). My dream was to get a warmblood for dressage, but after watching my G line filly (I didn’t know a thing about lines when I bought her!!!) grow up for two years (she’s just over 3), I’m realizing that I’m going to have to refresh my jumping skills!
One day last winter, on a whim, I dragged out some cavellettis and placed them around the arena, two as a one-stride combo and two as singles. Then I turned her lose and just stood in the center with my lunge whip, like I usually did to free-lunge her when she couldn’t get turned out. She was amazing–she made up her own course including jumping the first cav. of the combo, going around the second and rolling back toward the wall to jump the complete combo. It took my breath away! lol…that was a bit off-thread, but an excuse to brag so please forgive 
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Here she is last October as a 5 year old
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2043729110052562123BLNPWB
Here’s her first dressage show album, a month before she turned 5 years old
http://pets.webshots.com/album/558902325eZdHlI
I am not the one riding her. I am just starting dressage, I chickened out and had a dressage trainer ride her.
Here’s the trainer riding her in the test (in May 2007, she was undersaddle only about 6 months)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3140240457013936140&hl=en
Cooper, what area of California are you in and who bred your gelding?
What a lovely girl. Is she fairly substantial as far as her width?
The D line has good jumpers. Dynamo was considered one of the top jumper sires. He sired Dollar Girl, Nick Skelton’s ride, a top earning showjumper, retired as a broodmare to Mexico, now deceased.
Dynamo also sired my horse…
My mare (by Spitzweg out of Welsh City) started as a jumper in Germany, was hurt and then became a dressage horse. (I think she showed at the level just below our equivalent to Grand Prix jumping.) She then was pointed to the dressage route, I bought her, and she just earned me my Gold Medal in dressage, so she obviously went GP in dressage. (I say she “earned ME” the Gold Medal for a reason. SHE is the awesome one in our partnership.) Her piaffe is super, her canter/changes are awesome. I think that is one advantage of the jumpers – they usually have very good canters.
A friend of mine just bought a Contendro she plans to take dressage instead of what his bloodlines usually “speak” to (jumping). He has a great canter and a very quick hind leg. I think he’ll be able to do GP – and well too.
If you look at the top stallions at the Hanoverian licensings (here and in Germany) and the Mare Performance Tests, to be #1, they have to be able to jump too.
Perfect Pony, we have a small Hanoverian x TB eventer who has a lot of G line in his pedigree, and relatives who go to the Olympics etc.(showjumping). Yes the canter IS hard to shorten and make feel more uphill, but you must persevere! It is even important for jumping - it’s not enough just to be able to push off, they really have to carry and push off evenly from a coiled spring.
Your horse also has some C line holsteiners too - I have one of these and he has NO problem engaging and cantering uphill - or jumping. Just wish he’d chill out a bit more in the dressage arena.
The W line hanoverians are not known for their jumping prowess. I have a Weltrum gelding, whose canter is sensational, balanced and uphill, but he has NO talent for jumping. I think it is more mental than physical.
anybody read german?
Well, my mom speaks a little German but she doesn’t know horsey stuff, so here goes…
His passport says ‘Graziano 4’ and that his date of birth is actually 1995. So, he’s older than I thought.
His sire: Gardekuerassier
Dam: Wendy H318104581
Sire of Dam: Wendland II
Branded Hanoverian, identification# AT 000-8254-95
The passport says ‘owner’ Gaugelhoffer Hannes, Klostertaler Str. G 6757 Braz
Nationality A
What does that mean? Braz? A?
And does anybody know Wendland II? Or Gardekuerassier…is that the german variation of a name already posted on this thread?
I’m confused! lol
pluvinel,
My mare is by Dynamo too. Her pedigree is here http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dorina11 Her jumping scores in her mare test were 9s and she did 1.3 m in Germany before I bought her.
She has a huge walk, powerful trot and good canter (exceptional collected canter according to Hilda Gurney). When converting from jumping to dressage, she had to really work to understand straightness. The rest was pretty easy.
Besides Dollar Girl, Dynamo is the dam sire of Wie Weltmeyer. You can read more about him here http://www.brookhousestud.com/2007/_html/main.php?taal=en&&page=hengst&&id=14
I bred my mare to a really nice dressage stallion and got a filly whose pedigree you can see here
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/aretha6
Aretha turned 3 this spring. I haven’t started her yet but she looks great in the paddock 
OP, have fun with your guy
Have fun with your new horse!
Horse names in German are the horse names forever, they do not change. In fact when I first started going to Germany, it was nice that the one thing I could talk about with old breeders I would visit who didn’t speak English was the bloodlines of horses they would show me! The Germans are very strict on the fact that if a horse has been bred, their names can not be changed. It is also rare to change a horse’s name after they have entered competition (except to add a sponsor before or after). Of course, once a horse is imported to the US, who knows, but as far as I know, neither Gardekurrasier or Wendland II were exported.
Gardekurrasier, born 1975, was sired by Gotthard. Wendland II was by Wendekreis. Both from famous old Hanoverian lines. Gotthard’s were great jumpers but some think they are difficult. Wendekreis produced solid horses (in mind and body)
In German addresses, the house number comes after the name of the street, and the postal code comes before the city. So a US address that is
123 Main Street
Anytown 45678
would be written in Germany as
Main Street 123
45678 Anytown
Therefore, Klostertaler Str. (abbreviation for Strasse = Street) is the street name and what you think is a G should be a number (6?). Or perhaps its a very small street in a small town so there is no house number. That would make the most sense because if the G is a 6, then 66757 could be the postal code, since they are 5 digits. and Braz would be a town.
As far as the “D” line being good jumpers, Dynamo is not a typical representative of what we see as the D line today, via Donnerhall. Some of them can jump, but a big scopy jump it isn’t what you think of with them.
Dynamo is representative of his bloodline. But the Donnerhall and Dynamo line aren’t related at all.
That is the danger in simple alphabetical thinking
exceptional collected canter according to Hilda Gurney
I loved showing when Hilda judged. She always had glowing things to say about my mare. But I suspect she is very partial to Hanoverians. Very nice lady.
The A would normally stand for Austria. Although your horse most likely came from the region ‘Harz’ where both and Gardekürassier was a grey standing with the Celle State Stud so you are looking at a GxW line cross. These have been frequent crosses as both the G and the W line have been widely popular in those years.
Here is a link to a picture from his sire when he was already older:
http://www.astrid-ue.de/celle1998/pages/68_gardekuerassier.htm
As you can tell his offspring have made 100K+ DM in shows. He can be considered very well bred with Gotthard having been one of the most influential performance sires in Hanover at his time. His damsire Wohklang is featured in a very famous bronze shwoing him in the ‘at-liberty-performance’ he and his trainer have presented during the Celle Stallion parades over decades. Wohlklang was an exceptionally smart horse.
The entire G line was/is known for a tough constitution, practically undestructible. Not always the most pretty types and not always the most elastic movers but very hardy.
Gardekürassier was standing at stud through 2000 and was born in 75.
Wendland II was born in the 70’s and stationed in Kirchwerder near Hamburg though. He left Celle (think he died) in 1990. The Kirchwerder station no longer exists.
Awesome, thanks so much for the info everyone. Especially Karen and Schiffon…very interesting! He’s settling into his new home pretty well, not a lot of drama. Seems to have a good brain. We’ll see!
I have a mare by Wendland (by Wendrkreis by Ferdinand) out of Dukate (Dynamo) mare and I would take a W line again in a minute! Talk about a fabulous temperment and sweet personality!
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