Harness/Cart Fit Critque Wanted...

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Seeking thoughts/comments on the adjustment of this new harness and cart to our 10.2 hh Shetland gelding Pete.

We are driving him in an open bridle here (his riding bridle) and didn’t switch the bit out, so he wont normally be drove in a d-ring, but a half cheek instead.

Also, he is past due for a trim, and we are saving for a wooden wheeled cart, lol… Just seeking help from experienced drivers as to fit :slight_smile:

Thanks SO Much!

Sara and Kara and Petey!

www.5acredream.blogspot.com for a bunch more pics!

Well Petey is just a little cutie!

IMO the harness fit is OK, but can always be tweaked a bit.

The width and padding on the saddle are very wide for a basic harness, but that would be my preference. It will give him a more comfortable fit than the average narrow stuff. However, it also makes the saddle sit high on him and gives a more broken line from hands to bit. Might try moving it back an inch or so to see if it’s riding the base of the withers.

Because his neck is set low on his neck on the chest - you need to be aware of how the breast collar sits on his chest to make sure it does not interfere with his wind pipe. Looks like its OK. If you want to consider tweaking down the road, we have a big DraftX with the same neck conformation - our trainer recommended using a shaped breast collar (dip in center) with a false martingale to keep the breast collar from riding up on his throat.

A personal pet peeve is the width of the breeching, which is very light/narrow. Thats his brakes and if you are driving a lot of hills he is going to feel that. Think about carrying a heavy bag with twine handles digging into your hands vs wider padded handles. I would personally want a breeching 2X the width of the one shown here. You can use a pad to help distribute the pressure/weight, but I’d want to replace that strap sooner than later. Padding a pair of shoes that don’t fit with thick socks helps, but not as much as buying a pair of shoes that fits.

There is no need to change bits if he is comfortable in the one you are using. The advantage to a halfcheek is that it helps prevent the bit from sliding through his mouth. So its really your choice. We have grown up a lot in the past dozen or so years and it is no longer de rigeur that you must use a “traditional” driving bit - just because.

Your biggest issues (as you know) are in the cart. The seat is leaning back, warped shafts are not riding level (are both shafts warped like this one? If they were straight and riding that high, you’d want that shaft down about 4 inches, more level with the point of the shoulder. And especially with such a young child riding along - a higher seat back would be nice

Have fun with your guy

It’s hard to tell but this looks like it “might” be a shaped breastcollar? Maybe it’s not a deep V collar (which would be nicer on this pony) but it seems like it dips a tad in the front, but maybe that’s an illusion, i didnt look at your website to see other photos. So you might be ok there anyway, but if it’s got a ring, i would add the false martingale Drive NJ mentioned, that would help keep the sucker down. If you happen to have an old flash strap off a bridle, that can do the trick and save you buying something else for the time being.

What on earth was the harness maker thinking with they made that breeching? I agree it’s REALLY narrow. A pad would help, but agree that needs tossed for something wider. For a decent looking harness otherwise, it’s funny it has such sad wimpy breeching…

The cart… I honestly would not be using this at all, especially not with a young kid on it. (And i drive with my 2yr old, so i get it! They love it!) But it takes one bounce and she’s over the back of that seat, and with it tipping back already, it’s just an accident waiting to happen. I used to drive with my thigh over one of my son’s legs to help keep him in. But even the most saint of a pony can have a mild spook and jerk the cart… Out goes this kid with nothing there to help keep her in. Something to look at in a future cart purchase, since you do have a young one on the seat, make sure there isnt a big gap between the seat bottom and the seat back. I about lost my son out between the cushions on a hill once! And if the seat is a slick vinyl, get a roll of the rubber cabinet lining stuff and lay a section of it over the seat. Works SUPER! I’m not a fan of lap straps in case you need to evacuate, but i dont want to be sliding all over my seat either.

There is no rule as to what bit is needed or not needed. I personally hate half cheeks because if i needed brakes, i dont have any, and with a kid on the cart, it’s important i know i can stop. My mini drives in a butterfly arch mouth with a curb chain. At home, i drive him with the reins on the top ring, he’s a good boy and i rarely actually NEED that curb chain, but away from home, my reins go on the bottom ring “just in case.”

It was hard for me to find a good assortment of small pony bits, but i found these guys and they are SUPER to work with:
http://www.iowavalleycarriage.com/catalog/29

Just to give you more options.

Kudos to you for wearing helmets! My son just graduated from his bike helmet to a real horsey one like mom’s, so he thinks he’s cool now. :wink: I wish they made riding helmets smaller. I guess they dont think some of us are crazy enough to put our under 3 kids on a horse/pony/cart… But mine’s been on the cart since he was a year and a half and now he’s on his pony at 2.5, you cant tell him he’s too young!

G & S carts get mixed reviews, they seem to balance out perfect or not at all… But instead of going with a wood wheel, this may be a different option for you:
http://www.gscart.com/atcart.htm

A friend of mine has one that balances out well for her small shetland, her’s has a dash and brakes. Her seat back is wider than the one pictured, but we both complain that the seat bottom needs to be wider by about 4". For kids probably fine, for someone with a longer thigh, it isnt real comfortable sitting in it long term. Hers does ride smoother than my cheaper trail cart. It sure isnt a Pacific Smart Cart, but probably the better of the pipe cart options out there having had my hands on a few.

Hey guys, Thanks SO much for the advice! Will definitely look into padding the breeching and eventually getting a thicker piece there.

The harness does not dip in the front, I wish it did. His neck isn’t really so ugly, he got kicked awhile back and got the biggest ugliest hematoma there. It is slowly going away.

We are shopping for a new cart, just on a tight budget. This one is actually a step up from the last, believe it or not. We are going to rebuild the seat, which currently has a sag in it. I’ll link Kara (the Mom) to this so she can read your thoughts on Daniel riding with her. Maybe we make a higher back rest for the cart? (Her Dad can wield)

Anyway, thanks again! We are hooked on driving!

Aww… we don’t think Petey has an ugly neck… just typical for that type of pony. Personally I think he is cute and looks like he enjoys his job.

Looking at the other pictures on the blog, you are going to want to replace the breastcollar at some point as well - again, it could be wider and to be wider it has to dip at least a little in the middle.

I am a little concerned with the shafts on the cart and since you have access to a metalworker, try taking them off the carriage and laying them on the ground upside down. They should lay level. The only curve would be wider at the back and narrower at the front tips.

It looks like one shaft is significantly bent upward. With that type of carriage you can sometimes flatten a bent shaft by standing on it or bending it.

Once the are straight(er) you will be able to hook the pony up more appropriately with shafts nearer his point of shoulder. If there is no bend, then you need to lower the loop the shaft goes through so it is more level.

Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you towards a local club - a good source of used equipment. Someone here might also be able to direct you to a somewhat local equipment supplier.

Best luck, have fun and keep us up to date

My pony has a pete neck! It’s not ugly at all! Just the way they are! :slight_smile: Mine wears a Country Carriages harness with the super V collar. It’s really nicely padded, but a little pricey. However, now onto my 3rd harness and several hundred dollars down the drain on the junk ones… It would have paid off if i would have gotten the good one first instead of looking for cheaper alternatives!

I honestly would not be driving this cart at all in it’s current state, just not safe for all involved, including Pete. If you can bend those shafts like NJ mentioned, that might help. Keep an eye on craigslist, i see mini carts on there all the time. Maybe not “perfect” ones, because there really are not any cheap options that are perfect for minis… But BETTER than the current cart. Sometimes helps to put out a “wanted” add for one too. You never know what will pop out of the woodwork locally!

If you are not a member, join the CD-L email group, post on there that you are looking for a pony cart in your area, it’s a great resource for used equipment.
http://www.carriagedriving.net/index.php?m=c&inc=31

I dont know if there are any carriage auctions in the MO area, but that might be something to search for too. Prices are pretty low right now on smaller carts like this. I bought one at an auction for $300 that has served me well. My current harness and cart came from people off the CD-L group, and i got SUPER good deals! So they are out there!

Good Luck!