[QUOTE=findeight;8888160]
That sounds very reasonable. As a USEF member, I’d support that option for age verification. That would be very difficult to falsify (even for the more clever offenders) if it’s required to be officially submitted and recorded in the foals birth year.[/QUOTE]
I thought it was extremely reasonable, especially with the additional requirement of a microchip. Almost impossible to falsify and giving a positive ID for life.
Don’t think some are aware of the shenanigans and manipulations that have long gone on with regards to the Pre Green and Green divisions as well as horse identity in general.
Its too bad some innocents will suffer from years of others playing fast and loose with age and identity however, at least IF they can include that year of birth verification via USEF lifetime registration, it should be at a minimum. There’s always unintended consequences but, in this case, this action corrects a long running and much bigger issue that has always put legit smaller breeders at a disadvantage to those who skirted the exsisting rules.
There are still many local and regional unrecognized Open shows that won’t require age verification and the Open divisions at recognized shows are available.
[QUOTE=ponyflyer;8887293]
Horses without breed papers or passport are not eligible. The registries are quite willing to help find lost documentation. Some registries are willing to assist in getting a horse identified. Many of the registries will be attending the USHJA Annual Meeting to answer questions.
The Jockey Club is also very helpful in finding a horse’s birth name. I have been in touch with them to find out what to do regarding unregistered TBs.
This will be a learning process for sure.
Thanks,
Mary Babick
mbabick13@gmail.com[/QUOTE]
Mary, thanks for your response, and your work on this. Can you also speak with the JC on registered TBs who come without papers? Would something like a TIP card (which has tattoo/birthdate information on it, provided by JC) be enough? Because finding out who TBs are is often quite easy, but getting duplicate papers is nearly impossible–I know exactly one person who has managed to do it, working with the horse’s breeder. Something like a Non-Racing Certificate of Pedigree or similar? Like a COP from the WB registries?
I realize there are TB divisions, or unrecognized shows, but if I have a nice TB I want my trainer to show in the PreGreens/Greens, I’d like to know I have that option in the future. Age and horse verification is a good thing overall, but I just worry that papers in hand might further discourage those with TBs from doing those divisions, even if they’re otherwise right for them.
This will help fill in the gap. I will also say registering a foal with RPSI, AWS or AWR is not even close to the 1000s.
Below is the start of the AES (Anglo-European Studbook NA) and Summer Stoffel is in the process of getting it organized (below was quoted from a post of hers)
AES(NA) passports are directly issued from AES. So they are reciprocal. They are one and the same. There had to be an AESNA site because the registration options had to be altered on the form to make sense to NA breeders. But the passports are the same.
Many of the major registries offer “Horse Identification” passports. They do this in the EU because it is a requirement by EU law that every horse have a microchip and a passport with a 15-digit UELN number. On the AES site there is the option of “neither parent AES registered” for the following reasons:
1.) If the parents are registered with the AES, it will auto-fill the parents information if it is already in their database, so if they are not, then it will ask you to fill in the parent information if it is available
2.) If the parent is already approved by the AES or a recognized WBFSH registry that is approved with the AES it will make the foal/horse eligible for a certain color/level of passport.
3.) It provides an option for US horses who have never been registered with a breed registry but cannot prove pedigree to obtain a “HORSE IDENTIFICATION” passport that links a 15 digit UELN number with a microchip number.
The third option was crucial to the success of the microchip rule being passed at USHJA and USEF and was primarily directed at American breeders/owners who have been producing horses without registration. We also now have the USEF/USHJA rule that requires horses’ CP or breed papers/passport in order to compete in USHJA age restricted classes beginning Dec. 1, 2017. It is about changing the mindset of our culture. It has to start somewhere. When deciphering whether a breed registry is one of “those” registries it is important to look at whether the registry is issuing “full” papers, a “CP”, or “Horse ID” paper or passport. The word “registered” has been used as an all encompassing word, but sometimes there are many levels. Horses registered through the AES site in the US that do not have proof of pedigree or from unapproved parents will get a Horse Identification Passport. Nothing more.
This subject of horse identification and registration has been discussed in length with all the breed registries in joint meetings and they are willing to help and contribute. There are already other breed registries in the US issuing these “Horse ID” papers/passports. This permanent attachment of a horse ID and microchip number to the horse in conjunction with the new horse ID/microchipping rules is designed to lead into a system that minimizes fraud and create an infrastructure that supports American breeders, such as ones on this forum, to be able to track their horses throughout their entire life in sport and in breeding. Time to start connecting the dots.
The Green classes are not age based. Only the Young Hunter classes.
From USHJA
Green Hunter Basics:
•Green status is determined by the fence height in which the horse is competing, making reinstatement unnecessary
•Two years of eligibility in the 3’0" and 3’3" Green Hunter sections (horses may go up or down in fence height)
•Once a horse competes at 3’6":
•The horse is no longer eligible for 3’0"
•The horse is still eligible for 3’3" until it competes in 3’6" for the fifth time; then it becomes a 3’6" Green Hunter
•One year of eligibility in the 3’6" Green Hunter section
•One year of eligibility in the 3’9" Green Hunter section
Young Hunter Basics:
•Eligibility is based on the horse’s Green Hunter status and restricted by its age
•To compete, a horse’s age must be verified
•3’0" section is for horses age 5 and under
•3’3" section is for horses age 6 and under
•3’6" section is for horses age 7 and under
I realize the former Pre Green and Green are not age based, but a whole muck tub of crap has long gone on with regards to actual identity and past experience that has shut many legit breeders trying to develop their younger stock out of major recognition as they fail to pin above not only older but far more experienced horses that are in those classes under false pretenses. Sometimes because current connections honestly don’t know, sometimes the seller didn’t know either or the horse was misrepresented but too often because of conscious decisions to change/conceal identity and past record so they can win.
This step, and microchipping, will establish a lifetime of positive ID and that’s going to benefit the majority of the general membership by creating a more level playing field. It has to happen.
[QUOTE=JustJump;8887537]
Why doesn’t USEF simply issue national passports (provided documentation is verified by a foaling certificate from a vet)?[/QUOTE]
Hello all,
Sorry to be slow with answers, I have been in the USHJA office all day and I am finally getting back to my computer. At this moment, USEF prefers to stay with the requirements of the rules itself. They are not comfortable with a vet certifying the horse’s age.
Fortunately, there are three avenues to develop a horse:
I will continue to work on the TB question and will let you know when I receive an answer.
Good feedback and questions. Thanks and keep them coming.
Mary Babick
mbabick13@gmail.com
Ponyflyer, thank you very much for your efforts.
[QUOTE=ponyflyer;8889177]
I will continue to work on the TB question and will let you know when I receive an answer.
Good feedback and questions. Thanks and keep them coming.
Mary Babick
mbabick13@gmail.com[/QUOTE]
Thanks very much Mary! Appreciate all your work, and your coming on here to respond to us 
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