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It seems to me you have some sort of personal issue going on that might be better taken away from the forums. If you want to have a little cosy chat with each other then speak to each other when you next see each other.
It’s all a little boring for those who don’t give a flying fig!
No Chaltagor-- Filly colt is NOT used in southeast Louisiana-- at least not by the people I know-- But you are the FIRST person I’ve ever heard or seen use that term.:lol::lol::lol: Maybe it is a a term acceptable up North, but I’ve never heard it here. Or maybe it would be the correct term for a foal born with the organs of both sexes??? But I believe there is already a “correct” term for that condition-hermaphrodite.
I don’t know if this post was for me or Smoke-- but I don’t use the term “neck of the woods” in normal conversation or emails. And my post was not “ugly” it was informative regarding normal usage where I live.
Regarding the term “wheel horse” used by SmokenMirrors, who believes that wheel horse is the term used mainly in the US, this was originally posted by Thomas1
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Not anywhere I’ve ever been in the USA.
And not in the UK.
It’s a wheeler.[/I]
I merely wanted Thomas to know-- in case he had not visited here–that wheel horse is used here where I have lived 40 years, and is the preferred and time-honored term. Wheeler is hardly ever used at all.
Most linguists and others in the “business” of language generally agree that words fall into and out of favor, and that a word generally acquires its authority or “correctness” through its use by the majority of speakers in a given locale.
You and your friend with the “filly colt” need to stop trying to stir the pot, please–
BTW, when you post on-line I know it is difficult to realize, but some of us may be twice your age so a little civility goes a long way. I doubt you would care for someone to use to your mother the same tone you have used to me and others in several posts-- so have a care. Thanks.
The English language-- no matter which variety-- is full of words that may be substituted one for another. Apparently “wheel horse” and “wheeler” are two such words.
Depending on where, when and what people are involved-- wheel horse may be preferred or more commonly used, whereas in a different locality, at a different time and with a different crowd “wheeler” may be the most commonly used or preferred term.
Let’s just agree to disagree on this and move on.
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I don’t know if this post was for me or Smoke-- but I don’t use the term “neck of the woods” in normal conversation or emails. And my post was not “ugly” it was informative regarding normal usage where I live.[/QUOTE] You think!?
Regarding the term “wheel horse” used by SmokenMirrors, who believes that wheel horse is the term used mainly in the US,this was originally posted by Thomas1
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Not anywhere I’ve ever been in the USA.
And not in the UK.
It’s a wheeler.[/I]
I merely wanted Thomas to know-- in case he had not visited here–that wheel horse is used here where I have lived 40 years, and is the preferred and time-honored term. Wheeler is hardly ever used at all.
Don’t be concerned on my behalf. I don’t need personal lessons from you. I’m VERY VERY well aware that sometimes things are called colloquially or misnamed. If I do ever feel the need for your personal elucidation then I’ll PM you.
In a 4 in hand team there’s leaders and wheelers. Sometimes though, some people, in some areas call them front ones or back ones or lead horses and wheel horses. Doesn’t make it right to suggest to someone that when they say “Wheeler” that the “correct term is wheel horse” as was done by SmokenMirrors
Most linguists and others in the “business” of language generally agree that words fall into and out of favor, and that a word generally acquires its authority or “correctness” through its use by the majority of speakers in a given locale.
Or in other words over time what language evolves and sometimes because it’s incorrectly used or changed colloquially.
You and your friend with the “filly colt” need to stop trying to stir the pot, please–
BTW, when you post on-line I know it is difficult to realize, but some of us may be twice your age so a little civility goes a long way. I doubt you would care for someone to use to your mother the same tone you have used to me and others in several posts-- so have a care. Thanks.
Seems to me that might change if you change doing what you do. Try that and you might just get different to what your getting.
Originally Posted by katarine View Post
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Not sure why you got ugly, when you could have just said something like ‘in my neck of the woods I hear both wheel horse and wheeler, though wheel horse seems to be more common.’
[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5087953]
I don’t know if this post was for me or Smoke-- but I don’t use the term “neck of the woods” in normal conversation or emails. And my post was not “ugly” it was informative regarding normal usage where I live.
discrimniation from one thats surpose to be an educator of some sort
as for wheeler and wheel horse
wheeler is the correct term as the cariage is a vechile
and therefore the horse is before the wheel thus wheeler
[QUOTE=goeslikestink;5087992]
…discrimniation from one thats surpose to be an educator of some sort…wheeler is the correct term as the cariage is a vechile and therefore the horse is before the wheel thus wheeler[/QUOTE]
Well Katarin and ElysianFieldsFarm…guess you’ve been told, [edit].
But wait, the American Driving Society (ADS), in their July 13, 2010 rulebook, #77 says:
[I]"ARTICLE 77 DRAFT HORSE TANDEMS
*Note: The rule book said “Wheel Horse”, not “Wheeler” (sg.) or “Wheelers” (pl.)
Now realize, your Brit. betters and their sycophantic followers (who are more knowledgeable about American driving than the ADS) will probably correct them, but until our rule book is changed to make them happy and correcting our colonial local patois, wheel horse is a correct term.
To clear up some confusion, we edited an earlier post by Katarine that was quoting/referring to material deleted from an earlier post by Smokenmirrors–our apologies for any confusion.
It’s fine to debate terminology, but do it without the personal commentary. We’ve edited another post.
Mod 1
[QUOTE=Trakehner;5088033]
Well Katarin and ElysianFieldsFarm…guess you’ve been told, [edit].
But wait, the American Driving Society (ADS), in their July 13, 2010 rulebook, #77 says:
[I]"ARTICLE 77 DRAFT HORSE TANDEMS
*Note: The rule book said “Wheel Horse”, not “Wheeler” (sg.) or “Wheelers” (pl.)
Now realize, your Brit. betters and their sycophantic followers (who are more knowledgeable about American driving than the ADS) will probably correct them, but until our rule book is changed to make them happy and correcting our colonial local patois, wheel horse is a correct term.[/QUOTE]
For goodness sakes. Who the heck rattled your cage!?
NO-ONE but NO-ONE has said that wheel horse isn’t ever used or that is is NEVER to be used.
IF you try reading in entirity for context and comprehension you’ll be enlightened. You’ll come to appreciate that it was ONLY because the OP used the term Wheeler and was CORRECTED by Smoken Mirrors and told that wasn’t right that Cielo Azure WHO INCIDENTALLY IS AMERICAN! and then I said that Wheeler is correct.
You clearly though have an issue with British and are very fond of lumping anyone who is from the United Kingdom in a great big lump.
Now I don’t know if this is just because you’ve a bug up your backside or if it’s just because of obnoxious prejudice and stereotyping.
But you need to get over that sort of destructive and irrational hate nonsense.
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You clearly though have an issue with British and are very fond of lumping anyone who is from the United Kingdom in a great big lump. But you need to get over that sort of destructive and irrational hate nonsense.[/QUOTE]
No, it’s your toff attitude, pontificating away and destructive/hate etc. is a cute attack accusing someone of being irrational etc…while a Sol Alinsky political technique that can work, your fatuous charges really aren’t a part of of the discussion…that you’re Brit is neither here nor there (I’ve got a lot of family in Britain and competed there). You’re obnoxious and condescending with people you label as ignorant and just not as wise & knowledgeable as you consider yourself (which you seem to classify as anyone who disagrees with your opinion).
As an example, your dripping with snotty and insulting attitude: “Don’t be concerned on my behalf. I don’t need personal lessons from you. I’m VERY VERY well aware that sometimes things are called colloquially or misnamed. If I do ever feel the need for your personal elucidation then I’ll PM you.” So, disagreeing with you is misnaming or something rather “hickish” and ignorant…
Goes like stink then throws in her very odd blather and ignorance.
People who disagree with you aren’t idiots, hateful, ignorant and destructive…you’re just not as special as you and several sycophants think you are…read for comprehension, not for emotion.
Elysian at no point in this thread was I in any way directing my words to you, at you, or about you. I was speaking to SmokenMirrors.
Before you advise me on manners, take care to tend your own claws.
It’s in the dictionary, as well
wheel horse - noun
Also called a wheeler. a horse or one of the horses, harnessed behind others and nearest the front wheels of a vehicle.
Chiefly South Atlantic States . the left-hand horse of a pair hitched to a wagon or plow.
Chiefly South Midland and Southern U.S. a reliable, diligent, and strong worker.
Also, wheel-horse .
Origin:
1700–10 (Notice date or origin is BEFORE American Revolution when colonists in British colonies were British subjects, but disdainfully referred to as ‘colonials’ by those in British Isles. One reason for the revolution was the disdain and condescension colonists experienced from those born in the BIs- my explanation added in italics.)
It is also the name of a garden tractor company bought out by AMC and then Toro that still attracts a huge following of people who collect and restore these machines. They even have a website wheelhorse.org.
Thomas- When you posted that wheel horse was not a correct term and that YOU had never heard it used anywhere you had visited in the US, I believed my post was in order.
I am from the US – the southern region, live in the US and have heard this term used by experienced horse people and farmers ALL my life.
Sorry to find out that you are not open to learning new things unless you open the conversation yourself by PM.
If any of you wheeler proponents care to notice-- this dictionary entry makes it plain that the term is used mainly in the South Atlantic States, the South Midland and Southern US, and has meaning other than just referring to horses.
Now, if you all want to try to say that this term is “wrong” because it it is used in certain parts of the US, then I get to call you out on your discrimination as some of you have already tried to called me on several threads – not just this one.
And I agree with Trakehner regarding the offensive tone some of the people on this list adopt whenever ANYONE disagrees or questions their pontifications on ANY topic in ANY forum.
A prime example from you Thomas, already quoted by Trake is below,–
“Don’t be concerned on my behalf. I don’t need personal lessons from you. I’m VERY VERY well aware that sometimes things are called colloquially or misnamed. If I do ever feel the need for your personal elucidation then I’ll PM you.”
Note-- You still insist on characterizing wheel horse as ‘misnamed’-- therefore implying that the term is “incorrect” or “wrong.”
Here is an example of a personal attack as well as refusal to admit that wheel horse is “correct” from GLS apparently referring to me since my profile says plainly that I’m a retired teacher.
"discrimniation[I] from one thats surpose to be an educator of some sort
as for wheeler and wheel horse
wheeler is the correct term as the cariage is a vechile
and therefore the horse is before the wheel thus wheeler[/I]"
Both the ADS rule book and dictionary entries above that have been quoted by Trake and me show Smoke to have been “correct” regarding the term most used-- and therefore most “correct” where she is-- wheel horse. As for Smoke seeming to “lose her cool” – well when almost everything a person posts is bashed, hashed and re-hashed-- a person tends to lose patience.
Since your post had apparently already been edited by the mods-- it was not possible for me to determine if it was in response to my post or Smoke’s-- But since both of us take the identical stand that “wheel horse” is not only “correct” but the preferred or more “authoritative through usage” term where we live, it was natural for me to think you were posting in response to one of my posts.
And since YOU brought up claws-- which I don’t have and didn’t bring up at all–Please save your snitty or snotty tone for the litter box.
None of my earlier posts-- before or after the “snit-shot” tone came out in some other people’s posts were in any way intended to be unmannerly.
If some people choose to ascribe intentions to me that are not there, I cannot be responsible for their thoughts or suppositions.
BTW, when you post on-line I know it is difficult to realize, but some of us may be twice your age so a little civility goes a long way. I doubt you would care for someone to use to your mother the same tone you have used to me and others in several posts-- so have a care. Thanks.
What you’ve posted to me here is condescending, ageist and discriminatory. You are not my mother, my mentor, my teacher, my salvation. You are a single solitary little lady down in Louisiana who presumes she’s owed some measure of manners and courtesy solely based on her birthdate and zip code. Preaching ‘down’ to me with regard to how to comport myself is surely the wrong way to encourage me to change my ways. That civility, good breeding, and high manners in all things Southern that you so treasure could use a good greasing, ma’am.
Oh, and by the way, you really should stop with the references to whatever litter box you keep dredging up. The moderators have kindly asked everyone multiple times to knock that crap off…one would reasonable assume that advisory applies to you, too.
[QUOTE=elysianfieldsfarm;5088292]
wheel horse - noun
Also called a wheeler. a horse or one of the horses, harnessed behind others and nearest the front wheels of a vehicle.
Chiefly South Atlantic States . the left-hand horse of a pair hitched to a wagon or plow.
Chiefly South Midland and Southern U.S. a reliable, diligent, and strong worker.
Also, wheel-horse .
Origin:
1700–10 (Notice date or origin is BEFORE American Revolution when colonists in British colonies were British subjects, but disdainfully referred to as ‘colonials’ by those in British Isles. One reason for the revolution was the disdain and condescension colonists experienced from those born in the BIs- my explanation added in italics.)
It is also the name of a garden tractor company bought out by AMC and then Toro that still attracts a huge following of people who collect and restore these machines. They even have a website wheelhorse.org.
Thomas- When you posted that wheel horse was not a correct term and that YOU had never heard it used anywhere you had visited in the US, I believed my post was in order.
I am from the US – the southern region, live in the US and have heard this term used by experienced horse people and farmers ALL my life.
Sorry to find out that you are not open to learning new things unless you open the conversation yourself by PM.
If any of you wheeler proponents care to notice-- this dictionary entry makes it plain that the term is used mainly in the South Atlantic States, the South Midland and Southern US, and has meaning other than just referring to horses.
Now, if you all want to try to say that this term is “wrong” because it it is used in certain parts of the US, then I get to call you out on your discrimination as some of you have already tried to called me on several threads – not just this one.
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And I agree with Trakehneregarding the offensive tone some of the people on this list adopt whenever ANYONE disagrees or questions their pontifications on ANY topic in ANY forum.
A prime example from you Thomas, already quoted by Trake is below,–
“Don’t be concerned on my behalf. I don’t need personal lessons from you. I’m VERY VERY well aware that sometimes things are called colloquially or misnamed. If I do ever feel the need for your personal elucidation then I’ll PM you.”
Note-- You still insist on characterizing wheel horse as ‘misnamed’-- therefore implying that the term is “incorrect” or “wrong.”
Here is an example of a personal attack as well as refusal to admit that wheel horse is “correct” from GLS apparently referring to me since my profile says plainly that I’m a retired teacher.
"discrimniation[I] from one thats surpose to be an educator of some sort
as for wheeler and wheel horse
wheeler is the correct term as the cariage is a vechile
and therefore the horse is before the wheel thus wheeler[/I]"
Both the ADS rule book and dictionary entries above that have been quoted by Trake and me show Smoke to have been “correct” regarding the term most used-- and therefore most “correct” where she is-- wheel horse. As for Smoke seeming to “lose her cool” – well when almost everything a person posts is bashed, hashed and re-hashed-- a person tends to lose patience.[/QUOTE]
actually i didnt make a personal attack i was pointing out you did
and with now so has trakehner which is directed towards me
me but your missing the point completely
yeah i did look at your profile and as your somesort of educator what in i havent the foggist but its not in langage
and will add it doesnt say your a retired teacher it says retired educator
which means nothing to me
lanugages or perhaps one hasnt understood
the written word is a langage - and there are people on here that like to post opnion and i am one of them, but i am not ignorant to the fact that all people of all colours - langage barriers are equal
other wise i am correct in my term its a discrimination and as you didnt put the post up of what i found to be lets say condesending towards another poster
thus therfore is a discrmination of charator- of which if one os an educator then discrimation also covers sterotyping
of which your both guilty of doing
lanugage can also be that people are not as fortunate as your are if one hasnt a problem with the written skills now as i am been call ignorant
then i take that a definition of charator which isnt allowed
so in my book that 3 times already
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actually i didnt make a personal attack i was pointing out you did and with in that trakehner has also been offensive towards me but your missing the point completely yeah i did look at your profile and as your somesort of educator ehat in i havent the foggist but its not in langage gages or perhaps one hasnt understood
the written word is a langage - and there are people on here that like to post opnion and i am one of them, but iam not ignorant to the fact that all people of all colours - langage barriers are equal other wise i am correct in my term its a discrimination and as you didnt put the post up of what i found to be lets say condesending towards another poster[/QUOTE]
Sarcasm On:
Phew…spell check, use it, a grammar programme might be a good investment also. You’re correct, “the written word is a language”…no reason for a speech impediment with tools to help.
Sarcasm Off:
[QUOTE=Trakehner;5088518]
Sarcasm On:
Phew…spell check, use it, a grammar programme might be a good investment also. You’re correct, “the written word is a language”…no reason for a speech impediment with tools to help.
Sarcasm Off:[/QUOTE]
now your taking the p against people with a disability
which is again no 4 publically descriminating toward me or anyone like me
is also stero typing and is
and does come under the descrimnation act which a bb has to follow
i may not be educated to your standards but ignorant and an idiot iam not as you make me out to be
“What you’ve posted to me here is condescending, ageist and discriminatory. You are not my mother, my mentor, my teacher, my salvation. You are a single solitary little lady down in Louisiana who presumes she’s owed some measure of manners and courtesy solely based on her birthdate and zip code. Preaching ‘down’ to me with regard to how to comport myself is surely the wrong way to encourage me to change my ways. That civility, good breeding, and high manners in all things Southern that you so treasure could use a good greasing, ma’am.”
Oh, and by the way, you really should stop with the references to whatever litter box you keep dredging up. The moderators have kindly asked everyone multiple times to knock that crap off…one would reasonable assume that advisory applies to you, too."
“Before you advise me on manners, take care to tend your own claws.”
Kat- YOU are the one who brought up claws first- cats have claws, good cats use a litter box.- so maybe YOU need to stop with the “feline allusions” as well.
Bless your little heart, I’m so sorry that asking for some civility makes you feel “put upon” or, heaven forbid- “discriminated against” – But you’d better check the tone of some of your posts in this thread . . . There are some people here who like to “correct” others, “talk down” to others, and use a condescending tone-- but they don’t like it when someone takes exception to any of their boorish behavior or posts and “calls them” on it.
BTW, why don’t you copy this entire thread and send it to your mother, a former teacher, a mentor or anyone who is your elder, and ask if they would like to be addressed with the tone and in the manner you have used toward some of the posters here - me included. Yo.
And really my dear, judging from several of your posts, I don’t believe you are qualified to judge “civility, good breeding (human not equine), and high manners in all things Southern” let alone advise me on them.
This thread was started to get advice on showing a draft horse for the first time-- just look how far some people have caused others to stray from the original topic, if only to try to defend ourselves, once again, from jabs, jibes, snits and snots – what a shame. I guess a good wheel horse by any other name would still pull as hard.
[QUOTE=Trakehner;5088170]
No, it’s your toff attitude, pontificating away and destructive/hate etc. is a cute attack accusing someone of being irrational etc…while a Sol Alinsky political technique that can work, your fatuous charges really aren’t a part of of the discussion[/QUOTE] I’m not sure what on earth you mean or what a Sol Alinsky even is but by heck you’ve got a smart computer. I’d not appreciated that all that emotion travelled down the internet.
You might want to consider though that just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean folks are out to get you.
…that you’re Brit is neither here nor there (I’ve got a lot of family in Britain and competed there). You’re obnoxious and condescending with people
Thanks for the name calling!
you label as ignorant and just not as wise & knowledgeable as you consider yourself (which you seem to classify as anyone who disagrees with your opinion).
ALL your labels. NOT MINE! Must be in YOUR mind!
So, disagreeing with you is misnaming or something rather “hickish” and ignorant…
All your labels. Remind me never to use you as a translater!!
Goes like stink then throws in her very odd blather and ignorance.
You’re very fond of name calling and insulting forum members and which I always believed was against the rules, but doing so in that way when you know darned well that GLS has a serious disability is pretty low!
People who disagree with you aren’t idiots, hateful, ignorant and destructive…you’re just not as special as you and several sycophants think you are…read for comprehension, not for emotion.
I’ll file your opinion in that special place I have labelled “Am I bovvered!”
[QUOTE=Trakehner;5088170]
No, it’s your toff attitude, pontificating away and destructive/hate etc. is a cute attack accusing someone of being irrational etc…while a Sol Alinsky political technique that can work, your fatuous charges really aren’t a part of of the discussion…that you’re Brit is neither here nor there (I’ve got a lot of family in Britain and competed there). You’re obnoxious and condescending with people you label as ignorant and just not as wise & knowledgeable as you consider yourself (which you seem to classify as anyone who disagrees with your opinion).
As an example, your dripping with snotty and insulting attitude: “Don’t be concerned on my behalf. I don’t need personal lessons from you. I’m VERY VERY well aware that sometimes things are called colloquially or misnamed. If I do ever feel the need for your personal elucidation then I’ll PM you.” So, disagreeing with you is misnaming or something rather “hickish” and ignorant…
Goes like stink then throws in her very odd blather and ignorance.
People who disagree with you aren’t idiots, hateful, ignorant and destructive…you’re just not as special as you and several sycophants think you are…read for comprehension, not for emotion.[/QUOTE]
Trak I love you. Darn, where is the clapping icon when I need it.
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