Help - Senior Dog Developing Sundowners

Checking with the COTH hivemind to see who has dealt with this before and how they successfully (or not so successfully) handled this.

Backstory: 12 year old Greyhound, have had him for 10 years. No changes in family or home. Very stable, quiet environment. No other pets or children. He’s always been a sensitive, nervous soul, but happy in the home and with his routine.

In the last six months or so, have noticed him developing Sundowners type symptoms. Anxiety that comes on only at night, restlessness, whining. Repeatedly jumping down from the bed, pacing, looking out the window, sometimes trembling.

I read up on the topic online. I started giving him melatonin, which worked like a charm. Problem solved for 5 months or so. Recently, the behaviors started again. I theorized that the melatonin is losing its efficacy - it did the same for me when I took it. I tried getting nightlights. I tried using trazadone, which we only use for long car rides when we go on vacation. Trazadone actually seemed to make it worse. I ordered him a thundershirt, and I have an appointment scheduled with the vet in 2 weeks. We (husband and I ) try to make sure that he gets adequate exercise every day, which seems to help a little.

Anyone else been through this and have any suggestions? At this point, it’s negatively impacting our sleep, as he wakes us up multiple times whining and pacing. As his go-to person, he seeks comfort from me, which means lost sleep holding him and rubbing him.

His daytime health is excellent for an older dog. No mobility issues or pain. He’s slowing down a little, and I notice a loss of overall muscle tone, but nothing overly concerning. He did go on denamarin last year for some decreased liver function.

1 Like

I’d probably be trying a quality all purpose multi-vitamin/mineral supplement. B complex vitamins
often help as deficiencies can cause mental/nerve problems. Same for magnesium.
I use Nutri-Vet Senior vite, good comprehensive vit/min espec. for seniors. My dog eats them as does my one middle aged cat.
might be time to look at his diet, possibly upgrade. seniors don’t always get the benefits from their diet as efficiently as young animals.
watch carefully for signs of arthritis/joint problems. Nightime joint discomfort might be more apparent than daytime- to him.
Also as they age ears and eyes don’t work as well and this can be scarey to them.
Sorry you’re having this problem. I have an elderly cat going through something similar.
Just like people, they don’t all age the same way.

1 Like

I have a 15 yr old dog who has decided she needs to poop on the deck. Now the way my yard is set up the yard runs downhill to my back door, so you step out and are level with the ground. Then about 1 stride away, there is one step up and it runs level to the yard. There is no effort at all to get to the yard for pooping. She has done it forever. She has always hated to go outside especially when rainy. But it is dry and I see poop on the deck. She has also pooped in the house occasionally and in the old days, she would NEVER do that. Any suggestions? I recently had her blood work done, and she seems OK but her age is showing. She is about a 60 lb dog and has recently lost over 10 lbs. I am attributing it to her age.

She may be losing control and the poop comes out when it’s ready to come out. I had a dog that got that way towards the end of his life. He’s be walking across the kitchen towards the door to go out, and drop poop nuggets as he went.

2 Likes

My experience is with aging people, not dogs, but this sounds so similar to people (other than pooping on the deck I hope) …

These aging conditions don’t reverse. There is only one direction, and that is forward to the ultimate end.

Mitigation is the best can be done. What works will change over time, hopefully the same for months, but maybe change every couple of weeks or so.

In all honesty this is the time to begin continuously evaluating the big picture of where things are on that path. For your sake and for your wonderful dog. It may go quickly (or may not).

The anxiety and fear are the most heartbreaking. It is so real to the personality experiencing it, with so little basis for it. If only all creatures could quietly, comfortably ease through the final stages of life.

Just know that you are doing the best that you can do. Your dog has been, and will be, lucky and gratefully loving to have you in their life.

The best advice I ever got may sound weird, but it is so true: “Enjoy this time.” There are no goals to accomplish and nothing that has to be done if it doesn’t seem to be helping. Just as much peace and enjoyment as you can find in your time with this loved dog.

:heart:

6 Likes

Agreed.

I also agree to make a plan. I had one of my old guys PTS after he got confused overnight in the bedroom and was scrabbling in a corner - trapped and couldn’t figure his way out. He pooped and slipped and fell in it before I heard him and woke up.

I felt so bad for him - he was terrified.

2 Likes

Poor guy. He may be developing Parkinson’s Disease but the only signs at this point are anxiety and depression, although the trembling may also be a sign. Human Parkinson’s patients sometimes also have delusions and hallucinations so I assume that can also happen in dogs with the disease. I would think you would notice signs during the day, though.

Hopefully your vet can give you some insight on what may be going on.

1 Like

@Larksmom

Last year I did notice weight loss in my dog, who is also around 60 lbs, along with increased appetite. I took him to the vet, we did bloodwork and an ultrasound on his abdomen. It ended up being liver disease. We started him on Denamarin and changed his diet, from Purina Pro Plan Veterinary Diets EN Gastroenteric to Purina Pro Plan Veterinary Diets HA Hydrolyzed Protein, and it completely resolved/reversed his weight loss.

1 Like

This happened to my parent’s dog as well in her later years.

1 Like

WOW! I just checked on that and it was $80 for a 16 lb. bag. Looks like it is even more on chewy. I simply cannot afford that.

My coming 13-year-old Basset/Lab cross was having agitation in the evening, I called in Sundowning, too. She was eventually diagnosed with early stage Kidney failure, so is now on the kidney diet and it’s like the clock has turned back. Beside the diet I also give her CBD which has helped her relaxed tremendously, and I believe it helps with inflammation too. Best luck with your doggo!

1 Like

Thanks @downen - Great suggestion! I hadn’t considered CBD. I will add that to the list to ask the vet about at our upcoming appointment.

You’re welcome! I started using it occassionally for her when she developed a fear of thunderstorms, and now she gets it daily and is thriving. People can’t believe she’s almost 13!

When my elderly cocker developed a bit of senility in his last couple of years, he was prescribed Anipryl. It was very cheap and seemed to help with the symptoms.

A friend had an elder Border Terrier that was the same age as my Shiba going through this. They both got very similar elder symptoms: whining/restlessness at night, occasionally dropping poop while walking indoors or out - oblivious. Her dog began dribbling pee so had to wear diapers. Mine didn’t, but I started taking her out much more frequently. Both had episodes of confusion: getting stuck under the dining table, staring off into space or at the wall, trembling, etc.

Even though both dogs were not physically ailing, they seemed so miserable and unhappy. Lots of sleep was lost hugging my girl while she shook at night for hours, then would sleep most of the day. I talked to my vet and she agreed her quality of life was declining. From the occasional episode to more regular was about 15 months? After trying CBD oil, Benedryl, thunder shirt, Anipryl, and L-theanine, I cried with sadness and relief with my vet…

2 Likes