Help w first endurance horse-excited!

I’m buying my first endurance horse and am so excited! I’d be so greatful for any help in making a smart choice. I want a horse that can be an athletic partner now and into the future, and plan on being a “forever home” as well.
I live in NC, but am very fortunate that cost isn’t that important, and I would fly out to visit a horse and ship. I’m not rich but again, place a high priority on a permanent partner.
Right now I have two main prospects:

  1. A 10-year old with two crosses to Sambor, beautiful mover, good feet. 15.1hh Gelding. He had a very short race career (2 races) and then was a dressage horse (2nd level) and also used for eventing and some fox hunting! I like that he’s learned how to carry himself well. Concern: Is he too old?? I’m pretty competitive and wonder how long he’ll be interested in racing? It worries me that I have a friend who is a skilled endurance rider-and she’s already shopping for a back-up for her 12 year old, who is a consistent top-10 horse!
  2. Getting a 3-5 year-old off the track after the start of race season. I’d gladly pay for training, and think it’s fun to work with a young horse, but if I go for one abt 5, that’s what I thinking as hard use on the track, so I worry abt wear-and-tear. If I get a three-year-old, I’m worried it will seem like it’s so long before I can really condition and compete.
    I know there have been lots of other (useful) threads on finding the right horse, but I’d love any specific help in doing this right!
    I have a small farm, and really don’t have room to buy more than one (three already in the pasture) and plus, I really want to put time into one and develop the relationship!
    Thanks again!

JMO but I personally don’t think a person new to endurance plus a horse new to endurance (new to everything but racing sounds like) is a great thing. So if all else were equal I’d opt for the 10 yo who has dressage experience, which is good, plus two kinds of “outside of the ring” experience in eventing and foxhunting (also with a crowd of horses, which is even better).

10 yo is a good age, I think, and if you stay in the sport long-term you can get a youngster later to bring along yourself after you’ve had lots of experience and a better idea of what you want. A lot depends on your goals: LDs, 50s, 100s; middle of the pack or always top 10? Longer rides and really racing can shorten the horse’s useful years which could be part of what’s going on with your friend - or maybe her horse is still in great shape she just wants to give him a break as he gets older.

A PPE in either case! Just my opinions - but that’s what you wanted, right?

My Decade Team partner was 9 when I started him in Endurance, and had already been a champion carriage driving horse prior. For the next 13 years he foxhunted (whipped in for 4 years initially) with me in the winter, and we did Endurance (50 mile and up) from spring to fall. We ended his endurance career after 10 years (and being awarded AERC Decade Team status) when a hunting accident caused an annular ligament issue in his back leg. We hunted for two more years after that before I retired him at age 22.

So a 10 year old that is fit, sound, and schooled should be a wonderful project. I always prefer the slightly older horses/ponies who are proven sound and have matured both mentally and physically.

I’m just getting ready to start a 12 year old pony in LDs this year. :winkgrin:

My Decade Team partner was 9 when I started him in Endurance, and had already been a champion carriage driving horse prior. For the next 13 years he foxhunted (whipped in for 4 years initially) with me in the winter, and we did Endurance (50 mile and up) from spring to fall. We ended his endurance career after 10 years (and being awarded AERC Decade Team status) when a hunting accident caused an annular ligament issue in his back leg. We hunted for two more years after that before I retired him at age 22.

So a 10 year old that is fit, sound, and schooled should be a wonderful project. I always prefer the slightly older horses/ponies who are proven sound and have matured both mentally and physically.

I’m just getting ready to start a 12 year old pony in LDs this year. :winkgrin:

I don’t want to hijack this thread, just wondering what breed the horse is that you posted about, gothedistance. He sounds awesome. :slight_smile:

Congrats gothedistance on being a decade team! It’s very inspiring to see your story!

Thanks also gotmypony

I was leaning towards the 10-year-old, and it’s good to hear some experienced ppl say he’s not too old!

RPM - he was a 14.1 7/8h (AHSA carded) Welsh/Arabian cross bred by Baileywick Farm in Wisconsin. His Arabian dam was from performance and halter winning lines; his Welsh Section B sire from hunter pony lines. The breeder bred him for carriage driving, and she herself would later become the president of the CAA (Carriage Association of America). He was her tandem leader and part of her pair. I have lots of his photos (she gave me later) with him in competition, and put to a sleigh during the winter.

The photo below was me “tailing” him up Indian Graves Trail on the Fort Valley endurance ride back in 2008. His carriage driving training and knowing all the driving commands was a blessing because I could “drive” him from behind with my voice and just one end of his rein on his halter (he didn’t need a bit) and the other end in my hand, with my free hand wrapped in his tail.

(and Lynnc) - you can read all about us on the AERC website under the Decade Team awards. If the pics don’t come in (as they are supposed to since they are archived on the AERC website), just right click on them and chose to view them on a separate page. One of the pics of us (at a Virginia ride that was taken as it was sleeting and snowing) was used as AERC’s Endurance New’s full page ad for the Modern Arabian Horse magazine. (below) I was grinning like a crazy woman from listening to all the pinging of the sleet and ice hitting my helmet as we trotted down the trail - and the photographer got that ear to ear smile as I saw him on the trail. That ride was a blast - we had rain/sleet/ice/snow/and fog - all in one 7 hour stretch. I loved it!!!

I have written a number of articles for carriage driving magazine over the years, and also for the Endurance News, and in 2006 one of my EN articles won the USEF Pegasus Media Award for Best Single Feature Article. USEF president David O’Connor presented me the award at the USEF annual meeting, and I now have a stunning bronze winged Pegasus statue to remind me that being pulled for only the second time in my career and then writing (for the sheer enjoyment of putting a story together) about a friend’s horse getting pulled at the same ride can have unexpected benefits when people love what you put on paper. :smiley:

For the last few years (since I put my Decade Team partner down 2 1/2 years ago) I’ve been only carriage driving my Welsh pony pair, and “in” Endurance only on the volunteer staff side (Timer) for the rides while gently conditioning my next project - one of my purebred Welsh ponies who, while athletically quite brilliant, is also an EPM survivor. It will be interesting to see how far I can take him, considering the damage the EPM did to his back end neurologically. I did foxhunt him (2nd Field) and he was fabulous, but…hunting isn’t the playground for any horse handicapped by EPM damage. Too dangerous. But Endurance, and LDs - well, that’s in the ballpark. Should make for a very interesting article one day in the future, I imagine! This is him below - 14 hands of cute, sweet, lovable, cuddly, adorable, gentle, biddable, happy, and smooth-as-silk talented Welsh Section B pony.

So again, JMHO, but - 10 years old is a fine age for a horse to start, and with the horse already having a good education under its belt, and hopefully a good work ethic as well, you are already ahead of the game in building a successful partnership in the Endurance sport.

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My first (and only) endurance horse was already 11 when I bought her. I had similar concerns as you but was very honest with myself. I had ridden a lot as a teenager but then only on and off as an adult and had never owned a horse before. And I was starting a new discipline that I had only trained a little bit in on a friend’s horse. So the idea was to set myself up for success, not failure, and that meant not buying a young and/or green horse.

My mare had never done Enduramce before but some CTRs and lots of trail experience. She also had dressage training, professional cutting & reining training, and was a kids lesson horse too. She is a well-built and well-bred PB Arab and that, plus her calm and been-there-done-that demeanor, convinced me to buy her and I consider myself the luckiest person because she was 110% the right choice.

She is 17 now and we are just beginning our sixth season together, with maybe a couple more after that before she retires to trail riding and kids lessons again. We have been very successful as far as I’m concerned (1500 competition miles, no pulls, Tevis completion) and it’s been an amazing experience and I have never regretted buying an older horse.

Good luck!

I’d go with the 10 year old if you like him.Sounds like he has plenty of experience. In Endurance, experience trumps youth. Make sure to a PPE though- you don’t want to start endurance with an injury or other issues.

Thanks again to everyone, the 10-year-old is doing a PPE for me now! I really appreciate all of the help, it’s great to hear about the “mature” horses who are doing well!

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Thanks again to everyone, the 10-year-old is doing a PPE for me now! I really appreciate all of the help, it’s great to hear about the “mature” horses who are doing well![/QUOTE]

Please let us know how it turns out! Good luck…