Help with feed

With the hay shortage in my area I am anticipating supplementing my feed program with more pellets than typical. There is only one brand available in my town but I am going to a diff town that has the other feed I have linked to.

I will be feeding a two yr old and an older slightly hard keeper mare.
My last years round bales have tested at 9%protein, I am waiting for results on this years square bales.
Would someone be willing to help me sort out which would be a better feed.

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thank you,

Have you crunched the numbers? Is the hay really more expensive than pellets?

The Trouw Nutrition links don’t work

Masterfeeds VTM20 is a fairly basic ration balancer
Masterfeeds Senior is a regular feed, so higher feed rate and substantially more calories than the balancer
Masterfeeds Equine Developer is also a regular feed, higher feed rate/more calories than the balancer

If someone needs calories, feed one of the feeds. If they don’t, use the ration balancer. Or, a 1/2 serving of each if they’re in between calorie needs

The Sr reads like a complete feed, with 20% protein, but there aren’t feeding directions for using it with little to no hay, so you’re limited to 1.5kg per 100kg body weight.

Same with the Growth, limited to 1kg per 100kg body weight.

Neither is better/worse without a forage analysis, or at least an ingredient list and nsc/esc/wsc/starch info

Links included for those who don’t want a bunch of PDFs to be downloaded (and they don’t even open for me)

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Around here the fear is there won’t be hay. Some here haven’t done a 2nd cutting yet.
I’m looking at about half my usual year’s worth in my barn. Normally it’s all there by August.
My hayguy farmed out his leased fields & didn’t bother to get the small 2nd cut off my acreage - in a good year 100-150 small squares.
I may be forced to pay premium for what’s available - now around $7 for the small squares.
Or - worst case - buy pelleted hay.
I refuse to get the Standlee compressed bales, $$$ & IME (once, out of mid-Winter desperation) they’re crap.

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Yes! When I ran out of hay and my truck was nonfunctioning I had to buy the $30 Standlee Grab and Go compressed timothy. My horses loved it…well they loved the leaves. It was pretty stemmy and mature so they left a lot. At $30 a 50# bale. I have also had bales of alfalfa full of weeds. I am sorry - at that price it should be damn near perfect. I don’t care about the little handles on the plastic wrap on the bale - I want my money’s worth of hay. Sometimes it is premium but sometimes it is straw like and you don’t know until you get it home.

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I don’t know about which of those feeds is best, but I actually fed soaked alfalfa/timothy cubes as the sole forage for three large horses (two seniors and one 7-10-year-old) for a couple of years when the oldies weren’t able to handle baled hay any longer. It was expensive as heck, as you can imagine, but it got them through winters without any issues. They kept their weight, stayed healthy, etc.

I still have the younger horse. He’s 15 now and can obviously eat hay, so he does. But I still like his “feed” to basically be bagged forage with vits/mins, etc. Right now that’s soaked beet pulp shreds, his ration balancer and other supplements, and chopped alfalfa mixed into the mash. It’s fibrous, takes him a little time to eat, and he loves it.

I would add hay cubes in a heartbeat if a hay shortage was making it hard for me to get baled hay. I agree that the Standlee bales can be hit or miss and for that premium price, that’s just unacceptable. I’ve actually been a little upset by the bag of chopped alfalfa I have. Not because the hay quality is bad, it isn’t (and the horse thinks it’s heavenly), but I have found long, thin pieces of baling twine (like one strand of the twine that has unraveled) in the hay. I have to be careful to really sift through it with my hands to make sure there are no tiny threads of baling twine. That’s absurd. Standlee is mighty proud of their products, but they seriously need to work on their quality control.

Still, I do like Standlee’s cubes and pellets and beet pulp, so those are my go-to if I need to up the forage but the baled hay supply is short for whatever reason.

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I admit I am not good with math, Currently I am about a 100 days short on my hay supply for the year. And that is with buying the most expensive hay I have ever purchased.

Right! I forgot about hay cubes. Yes I will look into those.

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Honestly I am not trying to completely balance the program. Although I am getting my new squares tested as 50% are heavy in alfalfa.
I need to figure out what combination of beet pellets/hay cubes/pellets I can feed instead of hay. I think if I cut the hay back to one flake per feeding, so they still have some roughage, and feed cubes/pellets/beet pulp to make up the rest.

If it’s possible to put what hay you DO feed into slow-feed/small-hole hay nets, that will extend the time it takes to eat it and be helpful in keeping them from going longer stretches without eating anything. It’ll also help keep what hay you feed from possibly getting trampled on and wasted.

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So if you buy hay by the ton, divide the cost of one ton by 2000. That is your cost per pound. So if you pay $500 a ton, your cost per pound is 25 cents.

If you buy bagged feed, divide the cost of the bag by the total number of pounds. If a 50 lb bag costs $20, then the cost per pound is 40 cents.

40 cents a pound would be $800 a ton and $20 for 50 lbs.

25 cents a pound would be $500 a ton and $12.50 for 50 lbs.

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Yes, I highly recommend hay nets. :slight_smile:

How about using hay stretcher in a situation like this?

ETA: also support hay nets. My BO likes the SmartPak ones with the velcro closure as they are easier to fill than regular nets. There are other similar ones available which may cost less. The velcro does wear out over time, though.

that’s certainly an option! 2 things to consider - the cost of those vs hay (if the issue with hay is the cost, rather than outright availability), and paying attention to how fortified a hay stretcher is. I’ve run across at least one that was pretty fortified, some that weren’t, but I don’t remember brands

No idea if it’s even available to the OP much less at a decent price, but is there a way to figure out adding straw without throwing everything off? It’s a legit part of dairy cattle diet and my own horse certainly LOVES straw because it is THE BEST SNACK EVAH!!! but I’ve got zero idea how it would get calculated into a horse diet. I know we* had to be very careful because of the high potassium so that would certainly rule it out as a decent feed addition for some horses.
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*we = the nutritionists with their fancy measurements and programs to test and calculate every little nutrient and every little change to nutrition caused by storage.

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I have 15 bales of clean straw which I could certainly use to supplement roughage with.

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We use oat mill run pellets for a couple of senior horses who struggle to eat hay. The crude fiber max is 22%. Our vet has been pleased with the condition this feed keeps them in and only suggested adding a ration balancer or vitamin/mineral supplement. You could probably use it to replace some of your hay.

I don’t know if there is something similar made near you. I’m in the upper Midwest though the manufacturer says they will ship anywhere in the US. I don’t know what it would cost if shipped but we pay $8.95 for a 50 pound bag. It’s sold in 50# bags, 1500# totes and 1750# totes.

If you would like the feed company information please let me know.

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Thank you Zig but I am in Canada.
I just bought a 44lb bag of Alfalfa/Timothy cubes, 12% protein, for $18.
At the rate the bag says to feed, 1.5% of body weight I would have to feed 18lbs. That’s almost a bag every two days!
I think beet pulp and pellets with a flake of hay at each feeding will be a better way. Still crunching and looking for hay.

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