Help with miniature horses

I have been asked to help train a matched pair of minis for driving, but they first need some work on ground manners. I have delt with horses and large ponies and have my own training project right now, but I’ve never had experience TRAINING a mini. I have worked a shetland in the round pen before, but these minis are the smallest I’ve seen.

Anyone have advice on where to go for information or tips on training. DO minis pick up training techniques like larger horses do? My experience working with trained minis is that they have shorter attention spans and are more stubborn… but that could have been just those minis.

The client would like to eventually drive the pair with a small cart, and was told that one of the pair is broke to ride for small children.

Any help? I may be in over my head…:confused:

Much appreciated!!!

Train them just like you would a big horse. They are a horse and need all the training. Like with dogs, lap and yaps seldom get real training. Same with ponies. To often they don’t learn to lead and other basics because heck you can just pick them up and put them in the trailer instead of learning to load. So train them just like you would a big horse. Now if you are asking how to train then yes you are in over your head. LF

This might be a dumb question, but I do a lot of leading/crosstie/lunge training with my horses and ponies. Will a miniature respond to this type of handling? and where in the world would I get equipment to fit a mini?!

I use a training curcingle, lunging caveson, and training reins for my horses that are farther along in training and use it in junction with saddle time…I cant picture a mini in that set up and I no longer have access to an actual round pen. I am planning to use a small introduction paddock to immitate the round pen. Any suggestions?

Driving is not my thing, so I am recommending to the client to hire a trainer who specializes in driving, but I can certainly do the ground work for them. Just not sure were to get “mini” size equipment…or where I should direct the client to get it.

A miniature horse is just that …a horse in miniature. In general, they are a lot more sensible than big horses which enables them to learn a little quicker. The flight instinct is not triggered as easily in my experience, but it is definately still there.

It’s probably best if the client hooks up with a trainer who is experienced with these little guys. There is a need to be familiar with how to feed them, how much can be asked in training and how much can be asked when driving them and of course, you need the same equipment, but it has to be the right size. That equipment is very available if you know where to look.

They learn very quickly, but the handler has to make sure that the lessons are solid before moving on. It is tempting to rush the process with a miniature. You have to have a feel for how solid they are in each step.

I have trained many, many minis to drive. Like everything else, it’s easy when you know how, but if you don’t know how, then I’d advise that you not take it on. Believe me when I tell you that a runaway mini with a cart behind it can be just as frightening and dangerous and unstoppable as any other runaway equine. The training must be in place to prevent, as best we can, any such event.

Training a mini to drive is far easier than teaching a 16 hand horse to drive, but the basic process is the same, just as the equipment used is the same. The small horse must learn the same things, in the same way, as the big horses and the end result must be an educated, reasonably safe (or as safe as a driving horse can be) horse for almost anyone to drive.

Miniature driving horses and their owners are very active in the combined driving world as well as the breed ring. They can learn dressage, just as their bigger cousins. They can learn to be on the bit, collect, extend, back up, etc.

Miniature horse driving is the same as any other horse driving. It’s just down-sized.

I have 2 geldings. Expect them to do all the tasks that big ones do and train them for that. Yes,they should tie ,stand in crossties, clip ,stand for farrier, longe ,groundrive and they handle the same way as the bigs. The only thing you might need to know is they sometimes freak out big horses particularly when they are hitched. Be careful with that.I buy lots of my stuff from Ozark mountain Tack which has a website I believe but there are lots of other good tack sites on the web too . Just google miniature horse tack. If these are really small (29 inches or under )you might have some problems with harness. Hope this helps !

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DO minis pick up training techniques like larger horses do? My experience working with trained minis is that they have shorter attention spans and are more stubborn… but that could have been just those minis.[/QUOTE]

You may find that rather than having short attention spans the horses simply pick things up so fast that they become annoyed with endless repetition or baby steps. Most of the “stubborn” horses I’ve ever met (Arabs and minis, mostly) were simply smarter than their owners and quickly got frustrated with the situation. Of course there’s no way of knowing if boredom was the case with the ones you dealt with but it’s worth considering. Go at the pace the horse will allow and of course cover all the basics solidly but if the horse is making it ridiculously clear that they’ve already gotten a degree in Subject Whatever 101 (and 201 and 301 and…) you might try giving them new challenges and see how they do with more advanced work.

This might be a dumb question, but I do a lot of leading/crosstie/lunge training with my horses and ponies. Will a miniature respond to this type of handling? and where in the world would I get equipment to fit a mini?!

Of course it will! Minis are horses. Just very small, very SMART ones. :lol: The worst problem they usually have is that they don’t get that kind of proper mannering and they get rude and out of hand. A little kind and consistent discipline will quickly clear that up.

I agree that Ozark Mountain Mini Tack (www.minitack.com) is a wonderful source of general mini equipment. Tell the owner, Lisa, that Leia in WA sent you and she’ll take good care of you. :winkgrin:

I use a training curcingle, lunging caveson, and training reins for my horses that are farther along in training and use it in junction with saddle time…I cant picture a mini in that set up and I no longer have access to an actual round pen. I am planning to use a small introduction paddock to immitate the round pen. Any suggestions?

They say a picture is worth a thousand words…so here’s mine a couple of years ago in a surcingle and sliding side reins.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/Spyderwind/Lunging01.jpg

I purchased my surcingle, the open bridle and the snaffle bit all from Janie at Chimacum Tack (www.horsedriver.com) and would highly recommend her as well. I made the sliding sidereins myself with a couple of snaps from the hardware store. I know some people scavenge elastic blanket leg straps to use as sidereins on the little guys too.

Leia

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The only thing you might need to know is they sometimes freak out big horses particularly when they are hitched. Be careful with that.[quote]

Hah…hitched or not…I wish I had thought of that when I introduced my mare to the minis on the first day at the new barn. My girl has NEVER seen a white anything…dog,horse,cow,etc…nor has she seen anything that small. They were like little white phantoms to her and she pranced around the ring, tail flagged, and blowing some warning huffs.

I do have to thank the minis though…I got to see my girl do 3 AMAZING gaits while all worked up and I’ve never seen her look so pretty with her neck arched and all her muscles flexed. It only took about 2 hours for her to figure out that there was a fence separating them and they werent going to “get her”. All is well now. :slight_smile:

Leia~

In the picture, do you have a neck stretcher and side reins rigged in that set up, or is that just the other side rein visible?

I looked at some mini tack online, but had not luck finding a curcingle or cavesson. I have a halter/bridal attachment that is a cavesson and attaches to either ring (can be bought at Dover for $15) which comes in handy, but would be way to big for a mini.

Is there anywhere that sells used tack, or any recommendations for making my own? I’ve seen people make homemade curcingles with strips of nylon and adjustable straps with hardware snaps or plastic clips, but I cant even think that that would be inexpensive with the amount of time it would take to make it so you could use it more than one time and that it would work effectively…

…but then again their owner would be paying for the equipment, and I’d be training them. I just need a shove in the right direction to find the tack. Thanks for the online suggestions.

p.s. I’ve never seen a curcingle small enough for a pony, Do they make them and could they be adjusted to fit a mini? Anyone know?

They make mini surcingles, and bits, and bridles, and splint boots, and fly masks, and blankets - the works! EBay may be a good place for used mini stuff, or heck, just go to a mini driving show and go to town!

My niece trains her minis to drive and they are a hoot! Like everyone else said, minis are just horses. Train them in the same manner you would a regular sized horse and you will have the same type of success you’ve had with the larger beasts. My niece competes in CDEs with her VSEs (Very Small Equines) and does very well. OK, she’s usually first.

Mini Bitting Rig w/surcingle, side reins, etc. for

Here you go: http://www.miniexpress.com/mxproduct.asp?intProdID=296.1

Mini Express is very good and easy to work with. She has them in nylon too and in more or less equipment. They are very good quality. I bought one a few years ago.

Here are some links to miniature horse tack that have what you are needing.

http://www.fourwinds.net/accessor/minihors.html

http://www.minitack.com/jwns.htm

http://www.goldenroyal.com/minihorse.php

no different at all. Consider them a big horse hidden in a small body.

Great links for the surcingles, those are the kind I have. They’re not good for work on the long-lines from the side as the flat felt pad rotates easily but they’re fine for attaching side reins. The one thing I haven’t found in mini size is a GOOD lunging cavesson. Most of them are nothing but a nylon strap with padding across the nose, no metal insert to keep the shape and no jowl strap below the eyes to keep the cheekpieces from pulling around the head. I think that’s one where you’d be better off to try and jury-rig your own. Never underestimate the usefulness of plain nylon dog collars in creating mini equipment! LOL

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Leia~

In the picture, do you have a neck stretcher and side reins rigged in that set up, or is that just the other side rein visible?[/QUOTE]
Neck stretcher? I’m almost afraid to ask what that is…it sounds sort of like the rack! :lol: No, what I have there is a set of sliding side reins. It’s one very long piece of non-burning, non-stretching twine material with a snap on each end and a swivel snap in the middle. You put the swivelling snap on the girth ring of the surcingle then run each side up through the bit and then back to one of the surcingle side rings. It encourages the horse to stay round but allows them to reach down and find their own balance as my green gelding was doing in that picture.

My niece trains her minis to drive and they are a hoot! Like everyone else said, minis are just horses. Train them in the same manner you would a regular sized horse and you will have the same type of success you’ve had with the larger beasts. My niece competes in CDEs with her VSEs (Very Small Equines) and does very well. OK, she’s usually first.

Emryss, who’s your niece? The VSE family is very small (pun intended) and I probably know her. :slight_smile: I run the website www.cde4vse.com.

Leia

People having varying opinions on “neck stretchers” and what to call them and how to rig them. The purpose is to teach the horse to carry their head in a position that allows them to be balanced and utilizes their back more. A similar piece is used in the Pessoa system, or can be purchased as a separate pieces. Some people use things like martingales or other devices to fix a horses head in a position when they ride, the neck stretcher is merely a training aid. ( I am not an expert on it, this is just my understanding from training books and researching I’ve done on how I want my mare to be trained, what to do and not do)

many people use it to teach a horse farther along in training how to use their back and carry themselves properly and helps to build a proper topline… but not with a young horse

I dont necessarily use training equipment like that, and I am more accustomed to training a western horse for pleasure than an english horse on how to carry their head up and in the correct position…hence why I am trying to send my mare to someone to finish her and I’m working with 2 western horses that are already made…

The minis…well thats a whole other story…

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People having varying opinions on “neck stretchers” and what to call them and how to rig them. The purpose is to teach the horse to carry their head in a position that allows them to be balanced and utilizes their back more. A similar piece is used in the Pessoa system, or can be purchased as a separate pieces. Some people use things like martingales or other devices to fix a horses head in a position when they ride, the neck stretcher is merely a training aid. ( I am not an expert on it, this is just my understanding from training books and researching I’ve done on how I want my mare to be trained, what to do and not do)

many people use it to teach a horse farther along in training how to use their back and carry themselves properly and helps to build a proper topline… but not with a young horse [/QUOTE]

Ah, okay. To me that’s the first thing you should be teaching a green horse and as such I use the sliding sidereins on my beginning driving horses. I don’t like mechanical aids that hold the horse in one position as I train for dressage and want to build flexibility and suppleness but I don’t mind things like the Pessoa or sliding sidereins that guide the horse without locking them into an outline. The more mentally mature and further along in their training they are the more roundpen and longeing time is replaced with actual long-lining or driving time anyway so the “aids” will be used less and less. A person can provide an immediate release when the horse gives…fixed mechanical devices cannot.

I took another look at that photo and realized it could seem like I’d tied his head down or something and it wasn’t like that at all. I’d put the sidereins on to encourage him to stop hollowing out and looking to the outside while he trotted down the hill and he reacted at first by stretching down as hard as he could to test the limits of the sidereins. Within a few strides he’d come up to a more natural position and within a few laps he was traveling nicely engaged and soft with no more struggles to find his balance. This horse thinks he’s a blood hound anyway so it’s hard to find a longeing photo where he DOESN’T have his nose to the ground, sidereins or no sidereins! :lol:

Leia

Ok…I understand now…I agree with you. I prefer flexibilty rather than fixing a horse in a frame/position. I have seen some good things and some bad things come out of using a neck stretcher, but I myself have only used sidereins and a curcingle.

Right now I am having an issue with my filly working like a dream in the round pen, but the minute we attempt to lunge with or without tack/curcingle she goes bonkers and will race around or buck. Once I get her calmed down, I start again slowly and I try to end on a good note…though last time she almost killed me. I’m going to give it another shot this weekend and have a helper walk next to her head until she figures out that I’m asking the same thing of her that I do when we round pen.

I’m gonna give the minis a shot too.

Too big of a step

Start using the longe equipment IN THE ROUNDPEN with her to transition her over. Only then try it outside and start with just walking in little circles, then a few steps of trot. It makes it a lot easier to end on a good note! You can increase the size of the circle and add in her normal transitions once you’ve established good behavior.

Leia

First decide if it is a pony or a mini. If it is a mini like all the mini breeders want to believe then train it like the horse it is. Now if you have a pony, you have to change tactics. Ponies tend to be smarter and more opinionated than horses. You have to out think a pony and that is much harder than it sounds. So be honest with yourself as to what you have, a mini horse, or a pony. :wink:

LF

^ Excellent po![](nt LF.

I personally would advise that if you want to get it started prior to going to a driving trainer that it would be much better for it to be long-reined and taught voice commands.

So I’d suggest you long rein the pony (or is it a falabella?) and in driving harness rather than lunging off a surcingle. Also ALWAYS use driving voice commands.

This photo shows a small pony being long reined for the 2nd or 3rd time:

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/flodden_edge/Driving/DSCF0011.jpg)

Pony? Mini?

Ben & Jerry are definantly minis…These little guys come to just about my knee caps, maybe a few inches more and I am only 5’6…

I dont what breed they are exactly, they were rescued at an auction. They have some bad manners and are quiet pushy sometimes at feeding time for the horses, and they dont get grain and are only on grass for a few hours each day because they are so fat.

My experience has been that ponies and minis have the same attitude…they think they’re bigger than you and will try proving it.