Do you run a rescue? You mention volunteers.
How do you know that the dogs ended up free of issues? I find that hard to believe.
The growl warning is silly, especially when used for potty training.
You should get yourself the book Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson.
Even after 40+ years there is ALWAYS something new to learn with animals.
Time does not make an expert.
24/7 leashed to you when not in the crate. Yes, it’s not fun, but it won’t take more than a couple of days. The older she gets, the more difficult it will be.
Use a cue word when she starts to pee…I use hurry up. She will associate “hurry up” with appropriate peeing. This also comes in very handy when needing a urine sample.
I agree, it’s abusive and terrible advice. Crates should be a place of safety and crate training should always be a positive experience. I never remove a dog from a crate when whining or barking (unless it’s an alert that they need to potty). You don’t want to reward a negative behavior .
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24/7 leashed to you when not in the crate. Yes, it’s not fun, but it won’t take more than a couple of days. The older she gets, the more difficult it will be.
Thats a great way to start separation anxiety - go for it
I totally agree with you on something new to learn ALL the time. I dont slap the crate ALL THE TIME either- and no- I dont run a rescue. I do rescue privately when I have space and time and pull them from the kill shelter. In the meantime I work with several rescues and usualy get the cases where every other “trainer” has tried and screwed up the poor animal more. And how do I know that the dogs dont have issues? I stay in touch with 99% of the new owners I train the handler before I teach the dogs. So yes- we have “sessions” when there are animals that have no other options and we work through their issues while the people - rescuers- learn with that. The dogs dont leave here until they are balanced and good and ready to go to a new home. The new family gets to learn what we do here and the history of the animal as far as we now it- including any issues they have had and we have worked out.And while the dogs might act aggressive or insecure or scared when they first come, by the time we are done, they are in general pretty relaxed and happy. Growl is also NOT for potty, its for the moment of “going crazy in the crate”. “Going potty” gets a special word and plenty of praise. And no - I dont leash any pup to me 24/ 7- thats a recipe for separation anxiety that I have seen too often and it was not good. I rather have a confident pup and has good self esteem and is friendly and open to play- isnt that the whole goal? but that doesnt mean that they get away with everything either. And no- I dont use any news paper- THAT is out dated :rolleyes:
I don’t currently have a dog but when I get one…a smallish dog for my patio home and postage stamp yard…I am going to litter/pan train it. I have a lovely big garage and having a box in the garage should really help when we don’t want to trek out in the cold, rain or hot. I plan on using stall pellets when that day comes. I have to go through the garage to get to the yard so that will just shorten the trip. Plenty of info on how to do it on the web. The one aspect of cat keeping (current house critters) that I like.
Susan
I believe you misunderstood Legal. No one is saying the dog should be tethered to someone all the time. We are saying the dog has to be tethered to someone when they are not being crated or outside or when the dog doesn’t have your undivided attention. You want to prevent accidents by making them impossible to happen. You can separate from them as much as you want, just make sure you have them in a place where learning can continue, not somewhere that allows them to have a set back.
That’s how I got my first lab, owners couldn’t potty train her. Took me a month of constant supervision and a few lbs of cheese to get her consistently outside. Once the light bulb came on that was it. Never had an accident again. I sat my tush in a lawn chair and everytime she pottied she got a piece of cheese and made a huge deal. She was either outside or in her crate. Two days later she was fairly consistent, still crated at night. After a month I trusted her loose in the house and still in crate at night.
For the love of dog, could you please use paragraphs. Without them, it makes for a difficult read.
You also said you growl at a dog if they make a mistake and give them a “bad dog”.
I don’t think punishment is valid for a potty mistake. That is “your bad”.
I am sorry- I will write as I know right now and promise to continue to learn- apparently english is not my first language. As for “bad dog”…maybe that is where the problems are that you girls are having with your dogs- you think like humans, not as what another dog would do , but that is ok with me too- I dont have dog problems …until the next problem “child” comes in and I get to balance them again
That makes no sense. Dogs don’t punish each other for going to the bathroom in the house. You can’t pretend that there is “dog language” for things that would never happen in a feral pack.
I"m sure there are many ways to train a dog to go outside. I’m sure it could be done with a shock collar, and probably would work pretty quickly. And most dogs would do just fine with that.
Personally, I wouldn’t use a shock collar for house training, nor would I use harsh techniques. Nor would I recommend them. In general, I think most people would agree that there isn’t usually a reason to do this. Most of the time, a dog that can’t house train is an owner problem - lack of consistency. Simply being more consistent is probably all it would take to correct it.
As for writing - if you want people to read a long post, it would help to use paragraphs. You can do whatever you want, though. Some people will just skip over it. (I did.)
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