Holsteiner stallion Quantum?

[Centuree]

I did a chronicle search and found very little on this guy. I know that foxfire farm distributes his semen.

This is a stallion I am interested in for the future, and am wondering if anyone has further information on him, or knows where one could find such info.

He is definitely not used a lot out here in North America, yet I find him very intriguing. Any additional info on him would be appreciated. thanks.

[RyTimMick]

Here is his link on the verband site. He is the sire of Quintero la Silla who is doing very well. He is out of a great stamm 18b1. I believe he is an alternative if you want QDR blood but can’t use Quinar for your mare.

http://www.holsteiner-verband.de/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idcat=32&idart=225&getInfoBox=yes&pageno=5

[ne1]

the offspring are considered well for the upper levels of jumping, however, in holstein, he is described as a ‘specialst’ horse to produce for that niche, but the offspring are not easy and often require professional handling and riding. apart from phenotypical considerations, he needs a very sane, quiet, rideable mare with a good mouth, and even then, make sure all your insurance is up to date!

i personally also find him intriquiging and find the challenge appealing, but for now am doing very well with quinar.

ne1

[Centuree]

Thank you for the extra info. I was worried that he passed on “difficult” offspring, excellent jumpers, but definitely a professional ride. Perhaps this is one of the reasons he is not used much out here?

Now to compare the 2 stallions:

Quinar is known as a refining stallion. I don’t believe Quantum has the same reputation? Or does he?

Further, Quinar is not necessarily known for producing difficult offspring, is he?

[TKR]

Ok, so the QdR lines have a reputation for being very talented, but a “professional” ride or have their share of difficulties from a rider’s standpoint. My question (not to snag the thread) - is where does the difficulty come from (thinking maybe Alme or Furioso) and from where does the jump/talent likely come? I’m sure there is combination in there that is more relevant than one ancestor – but just wondering which one(s) would be most likely to pass those traits?
PennyG

[ne1]

yes, quinar CAN make difficult, but not on the same scale as quantum.

he needs large framey mare with good rideability and a quiet easy mouth,… oh, and good feet.

quantum could refine and frankly stands in arguably nicer type than quinar, but i have not heard of any refining effect in his production. again, it would be an exciting breeding to watch if you felt you had the right mare for him, but with the questions around him and how that contrasts with quinar’s known production in significant numbers, not to mention quinar being here fresh for now, its an easy decision for me.

[Centuree]

Interesting, thanx for that.

Yeah, I have seen some very nice babies from Quinar out here in NA. However, he is not right for my mare who is not a large framey mare, she is already refined and quite modern.

What do you mean by Quinar needs good feet? What is not desirable about his foot conformation? (shelly, club, flat, low heel, ?)

Here are some videos of Quantum and his offspring if anyone is interested:

Quantum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO3kR-50YkM

Quintero: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LrdbTIIt0
Chopin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppoJnFz7IQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfTzHHFOFuI

[RyTimMick]

I have heard that Quinar has been known to throw small feet.

Tim

[Centuree]

Oh I see, thanks.

[Gino]

Most of the Q line would not work for most mare here

If you have a refine mare with blood, you want to stay away from any Holsteiner with “Q” in front of it. If your mare is still young and you can afford the frozen semen and you want to use a Holsteiner Stallion. A sure thing is to use some Holsteiner Stallions that are very successful in Holland.
Holland is like the testing ground for the Holsteiner Stallions. Their mares come from so many different melting pot that you can get a better idea on what the stallion offspring would look like. It doesn’t matter too much what type of mare you have at that point because you have a better reading on the Stallion.
There is a say in Holstein that the only good jumpers star with “C”, “A” can’t jump and “Q” to difficult in the mouth. Go with the old type with a proven record. One of my favor is Numero Uno because it is hard to go wrong with him and everything from him jump without all the other problem associate with the “Q” line.
Best
Gino

[RyTimMick]

I fundamentally disagree that Holland is a better testing ground for Holsteiner stallions then Holstein. The very heterogenous population over there does not allow you to evaluate what a stallion is stamping. The knowledge that resides in Holstein about the their unbroken motherlines, and the motherlines of their own stallions allows them to quickly evaluate stallions accurately. Breeding those stallions to a book of mares from all over the map does not give you this insight.

Furthermore, there are two “C” lines that are diametrically different and must be treated as such. Generalizing on this level is not recommended.

Lastly, todays sport demands different things from todays modern competitors then yesterday’s competitors. Breeding only with older and proven stallions will leave you with horses that can’t win at the top of the sport today. This breeding philosophy also doesn’t allow us to evaluate and discovery our newest stallions. There is nothing wrong with Numero Uno, he is in fact a very good Holsteiner stallion. To suggest him for someone’s mare without any knowledge of that mare is poor, and shouldn’t be done. No stallion is good for all mares, No stallion. I also wouldn’t suggest not using QDR, or his sons, becuase sometimes, that blood is exactly what a mare needs.

Tim

[despacio123]

Quantum Offspring

[QUOTE=Centuree;4384095]
I did a chronicle search and found very little on this guy. I know that foxfire farm distributes his semen.

This is a stallion I am interested in for the future, and am wondering if anyone has further information on him, or knows where one could find such info.

He is definitely not used a lot out here in North America, yet I find him very intriguing. Any additional info on him would be appreciated. thanks.[/QUOTE]

I know this is an older thread, but anyone looking for info on Quantum offspring may find it. I have a son of Quantum, a 2003 gelding I purchased in 2009 as an Amateur Hunter. This gelding has proven to be one of the nicest, easiest horse I have ever owned, he was in training for 8 months, then I stuck him in my backyard and take him to shows approximately 6 times a year. He may not be the fanciest mover or jumper and can be a little lazy at times, but for an amateur he is wonderful. I have had him for 7 years now and could not be happier, no known health issues, no hoof issues, I would purchase all over again. We have never pushed him over 3’6 Amatuer Owners, but I don’t think the athletic ability was ever in question. Hope this helps somone:)