I’m looking for information on two Holsteiner stallions named Cicero and Landslide. I have been searching for a couple days and have not found very much about either except that both were imported. Anyone have any info about either of these two?
Contact Karen Reid at Fox Fire Farm. She stood Cicero until his death.
Both could be very good producers. One of the top horses in the world right now is Cristallo by Caretino / Cicero. Landslide produced some really good horses here in North America.
Landslide was an 1982 model. He originally stood at Katie Monahan Prudent’s Plain Bay Farm. Haras de Beaupre in Canada bred a couple of minor GP horses from him.
His biggest success story was Landlady who went to the Pan Am Games in eventing. Landlady was out of the great TB mare Shirlee Steel, who also produced Summit Peak (by Galoubet), dam of Daniel Geitner’s super GP mare, Sympa (by Sabotage) who is still winning. A younger half sibing to Sympa named SF Darius (Der Graf - Summit Peak, by Galoubet A) is currently at the 70-day test.
There is also a 6YO young jumper by Landslide named Vanina MBF out of a Cicero mare, bred by Claude Manuel. Vanina MBF is out of a daughter of Ticiana who produced two of Landslide’s GP horses Aja (1991, ex Locarno de Beaupre) and Lemir HB (1990, ex Lemir de Beaupre). Stam A107 (Ticiana was Oldenburg).
There is info on Cicero on Karen’s page. He died some years ago but she may still have some frozen semen from him.
Well R3dd0g: Lemir HB… HB meaning Haras de Beaupré. 
2 HB (or was it 4) horses were exported to France in the early 2000 years. One got sold to Michel Robert and they went into GP as well. Laura was out of Lara de Courson if I recall correctly.
I used to visit often HB farm back then, I kwew their rider and trainer of that time. There was 20+ horses by him (and others) and I got to walk the old man couple of times at his turn out paddock. He was one gentleman. Very majestic.
In Quebec there’s A LOT of Landslide offsprings, in hunters (where they are a bit heavy but they do the job), jumpers and dressage. They have the reputation of being somehow difficult under saddle when they are young, but I only see horses that are late maturing and have too much of fun, and undisciplined energy. I rode couple of Landslides and they were all power machines, with willing attitude. Sometimes too willing 
There’s always exceptions but I found they were fun to ride.
I bred to Landslide a number of times (bred my AFR sisters to him).
I didn’t know anything about warmbloods at the time ( I was breeding racehorses) and was attracted to him in particular because I thought he was quite Thoroughbred in body type and certainly had a lot of TB blood (inbred to Ladykiller).
After I had a mare in foal to him, I saw him in person and he was a much bigger horse than I had thought from his pictures and video…but a lovely,lovely horse.
The foals were uniformly beautiful, and talented, good movers and wonderful jumpers. Out of TB mares they were quite TB in type. Two of them showed in the jumper ring, two others in eventing.
I still have one of the daughters , out of AFR’s full sister - (she shows hunter but could certainly be an eventer or jumper). She is beautiful, talented, brave and very level-headed.
I also remember seeing Cicero’s video from Karen Reid and liked him very much.
Same comment as Spike. I rode quite a few Lanslide and 2 Cicero. The Lanslide were quite hard when they were young and became great amateur horses later on.
The 2 Cicero are still a little bit opinionated but still very talented.
It’s interesting, because I have heard comments about the Landslides being a bit ‘tough’.
Of the ones I had, only the one colt was difficult - hugely talented, very kind, but a handful as a youngster.
I think he was a very overlooked stallion, outside of Quebec - and just did not get the use or the recognition I think he deserved.
If you search the USEF database by sire quite a few of them come up–many from Haras de Beaupre’s breeding program.
Thanks so much everyone!!! I got in touch with Karen and found some more info about Cicero on page about Cor de la Bryere. I would really like to know if Landslide completed the 100 day test? From what I’ve heard both stallions seem to produce talented jumpers, which is exactly what I wanted to hear!
Have you tried contacting Haras de Beaupre?
They should know. There should be contact info on them with the Canadian Sport Horse Association.
My understanding is that he was born in Switzerland and did his approvals there.
He was bought and brought to America by Katie Monaghan and Mrs Harriman, and shown in the jumpers, but to what level I can’t remember.
The Cicero’s in general are more of a pro type of horse. I have had friends who have had them and this is their general feeling. Talented yet, big jump yes and usually very good moving horses as well. Here in Fl we have a son of his that falls into this category as does his offspring.
I have a Cicero mare out of a tb mare (Wendy City) Lovely type and lots of pretty. Holsteiner-y movement (lots of knee). Canter is hugely her gait - it was almost a surprise that she had a trot - it is a flashy round trot, not a huntery trot. She was unfortunately an orphan. Not large - but her mother wasn’t large either (16.1). Cavalier Royale is a full brother to Cicero and a full sister is the dam of Cicera’s Icewater. snappy knees, back-cracking Cor de type of form. Family circumstances and a severe hoof injury resulted in our never showing her much. My mare doesn’t have a mean bone in her body, but I’d go along with the “pro” ride because of a couple things. The biggest is that she’s got “quirk.” Now and then a shaft of light is going to come into the ring and she’s the kind of horse who’ll cock her head sideways and jump it instead of just trotting through it. She can be unflappable about the things you mght expect a spook from, like baby strollers and and hot air balloons, but then give a quick jump sideways over seeing someone she knows leading the “wrong” horse. Some of that may have to do with her being an orphan, but I’ve heard that the Cavalier Royales are also sometimes on the quirky side. She can also get pawing/impatient/head shaking if she’s nitpicked or if she has to wait around. She isn’t a plod, but she oozes quality and if she gets attached to someone she’s much more of a puppy dog around them
I have a gelding by Landslide. He’s 11 this year.
He’s incredibly level headed and willing, but can get hot under saddle. I do think he was more difficult when he was younger - I got him when he was 5. He was definitely “playful” under saddle and if I was not careful, he could take over the ride. However, with a confident rider, he’s super fun and talented.
I use him for dressage, but my understanding is the Landslides are good jumpers.
