homozygous color stallions

I’m so sorry for your loss, and so glad you could find a nurse mare. I hope the transition goes well.

I cannot imagine that they won’t let you buy the foal, in which case you have lots of great options to choose from.

If the foal does get sold/placed by them, I’d pay attention to how and where the foals are marketed as well as color. People might be excited by a colored WB cross or a colored stock horse and might not be as interested in a colored pony foal.

If I had control over how the foal would be marketed and trained, and felt the mare was ‘ordinary’ - ie not up to producing a great sport horse on her own crossed to a WB - I’d probably suggest crossing out to the welsh or a Connemara. The Welsh gives you better guarantee to stay pony size; the Connemara cross is pretty sellable regardless of final size. Either would probably produce a very useful, sellable animal to you, but if the nurse mare group didn’t market them properly, the right buyers might not think to look for them there and they might languish.

I think the only double dilute Connemara stallion around at the moment is Fiontar Mac Tire. There are lots of nice single dilutes around, which might be worth the risk if you were going to control the foal.

If you breed a foal that can be registered, I would think that would make the foal more marketable. For example, a Irish Draught Stallion and TB mare will produce an Irish Draught Sport Horse. You can check with the breed associations to see what paperwork and fees would be needed for registration. IDSH babies are usually quite marketable.

Good luck with your foal. It sounds like you are doing the best you can in a sad and difficult situation.

Thank you for all the suggestions and well wishes. The nurse mare took to my foal immediately. They will not sell the mare as she is a great nurse mare for them. Always accepts the foal. She is small and unknown breed. I suspect QH. She is very calm, very sweet. Not absolutely horrible conformation, good feet, good front limbs. Straight hind limbs, poor croup, plain head. She is also black in color so not sure what happens with cremello with black. She needs to be prettied up a bit. All their foals go to last chance corral so I am going to talk with them next week about paying for this foals care and buying next year’s foal. She needs to be pregnant by June15 per contact so time line is tough. Pics on my FB page of blume farm. Further suggestions welcome.

She looks to have some standardbred influence in her, which is a common breed for nurse mares.

If she does have STB blood in her, that makes me think “arabian” for a potential mate, only because the STB/arab cross can be popular for trail and endurance horses. It also might “pretty” up the foal. Although I’m not sure what’s out there that’s homozygous for color and has a lot of arab blood.

I’m so sorry again. And thank you for being so considerate for the nurse mare foals!

[QUOTE=Blume Farm;8162196]
Thank you for all the suggestions and well wishes. The nurse mare took to my foal immediately. They will not sell the mare as she is a great nurse mare for them. Always accepts the foal. She is small and unknown breed. I suspect QH. She is very calm, very sweet. Not absolutely horrible conformation, good feet, good front limbs. Straight hind limbs, poor croup, plain head. She is also black in color so not sure what happens with cremello with black. She needs to be prettied up a bit. All their foals go to last chance corral so I am going to talk with them next week about paying for this foals care and buying next year’s foal. She needs to be pregnant by June15 per contact so time line is tough. Pics on my FB page of blume farm. Further suggestions welcome.[/QUOTE]

Why not Hillside’s Skeptic, if he is still available? He’s got a bit of everything in his pedigree… appendix pintos are fairly sellable, usually are very tractable, and Skeptic looks like he consistently stamps a very correct hind end.

He is not cheap, but a cursory glance at his photos says his foals are quite consistent in type. The FOR-SALE page seems to have more information/pics on them.
http://pintowarmblood.com/Skeptic.html

On the other spectrum, this horse popped up on my feed (Primary Colors) but IDK anything about him.
http://www.highpointfrm.com/Stallions.htm

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If you breed a foal that can be registered, I would think that would make the foal more marketable. For example, a Irish Draught Stallion and TB mare will produce an Irish Draught Sport Horse. You can check with the breed associations to see what paperwork and fees would be needed for registration. IDSH babies are usually quite marketable.

Good luck with your foal. It sounds like you are doing the best you can in a sad and difficult situation.[/QUOTE]

I like the IDSH idea.

Just tossing another idea out there:

http://www.flyingcolorsfarm.com/ourstallion.asp

Scroll down to “Counterclaim.”

Since she is black, I might go for black tobiano. You might also consider having her tested for color genetics to maximize the chance of getting what you want.

A paint stallion would be one way to go, though ideally you’d like to find that coloring in a breed where you would have a desirable halfbred registration. Still, if the foal is pinto, it can be registered with the pinto association.

Googling suggests that there are decent half-arab pinto stallions out there. The Arab might be a better match for her structurally than a paint. You can certainly get homozygous tobiano and possibly also homozygous black in a stallion that is also structurally lovely and compatible.

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8162222]
Just tossing another idea out there:

http://www.flyingcolorsfarm.com/ourstallion.asp

Scroll down to “Counterclaim.”[/QUOTE]

oh, I like him! I wanted to see a video of him moving though but he looks nice!

ETA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS0bByPPF9c#t=17
there we go, not a bad mover!

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8162222]
Just tossing another idea out there:

http://www.flyingcolorsfarm.com/ourstallion.asp

Scroll down to “Counterclaim.”[/QUOTE]

This is the stallion I suggested!! NICE horse!!

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This is the stallion I suggested!! NICE horse!![/QUOTE]

Sorry crosscreeksh, totally missed that! My bad! Great minds think alike. :lol:

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Sorry crosscreeksh, totally missed that! My bad! Great minds think alike. :lol:[/QUOTE]

No problem!!! Great minds DO think alike!! I really like this horse!! And Patty is great to talk to!!

She is also black in color so not sure what happens with cremello with black.

Cremello to black will give you smoky black / buckskin / palomino / smoky brown in the following percentages:

Offspring Color Probability

37.50% - Buckskin

37.50% - Smoky Black

25.00% - Palomino

They don’t list smoky brown in there but that would probably put each dilute colour down to 25% percentage possibilities

SO glad to hear the mare took to your filly right away! Terrific news! :slight_smile:

I am so sorry to hear about the passing of your beloved mare. So sorry.

And I’m so happy that this mare has taken your foal. What a relief.

The percentages are going to vary a bit based on the specific genes each have, and with genetic testing, this can be known now. If she happens to be homozygous black, she wouldn’t be able to produce palomino, and if the sire is homozygous AA, there’s no possibility of smoky black. If the sire is homozygous aa, there’s no way to produce bay/buckskin. Lots of fun with genetic dice! But if you really want to guarantee particular colors, there are options. $40 plus some mane hair tells many answers.

A smoky black horse basically looks black, so it’s technically possible she has the cream gene herself. The only way to know is to test.

and if the sire is homozygous AA, there’s no possibility of smoky black. If the sire is homozygous aa, there’s no way to produce bay/buckskin. Lots of fun with genetic dice! But if you really want to guarantee particular colors, there are options. $40 plus some mane hair tells many answers

I agree with all of that but in this case, I know the clock is ticking down quickly with the June 15th deadline looming on this mare …

In this case, he is Aa, he has produced smoky black and he has produced buckskin in the past. And yes - she is definitely the unknown component - genetically and now apparently bloodline wise - so you simply make the best of what you have in front of you in this case …

Thanks again everyone for the suggestions and words of support. This has certainly been a trying time, don’t think I have ever cried this much. There is definitely some solace in that the filly is doing well and the nurse mare is so sweet.

Thank you SO MUCH for the offer of your stallion True Colours. You are correct in that there is no time to do DNA testing of the nurse mare. Because of that, and the possibility of getting a smokey black (which essentially can look solid black) I am going to go with a homozygous tobiano. I also wanted to stay small as she is so small so that puts me in the world of Arabians/ half Arabs, small QHs and ponies. I am finding in the Arab/ Half Arab world a lot of folks don’t ship semen and the QH folks charge a “chute” fee which I assume is their collection fee. That fee is often upwards of $300, guess we can’t complain about our collection fee costs anymore:) But I found this pony and have contacted the owner. His semen ships well, he is ridden/ handled by a child, and appears quite cute. Scroll down to Majestic Jakota:
http://www.steppingstonehorsefarm.com/horses/chase.html

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Thanks again everyone for the suggestions and words of support. This has certainly been a trying time, don’t think I have ever cried this much. There is definitely some solace in that the filly is doing well and the nurse mare is so sweet.

…But I found this pony and have contacted the owner. His semen ships well, he is ridden/ handled by a child, and appears quite cute. Scroll down to Majestic Jakota:
http://www.steppingstonehorsefarm.com/horses/chase.html[/QUOTE]

So glad to hear the mare accepted the foal right away, and that the filly is doing well and will have a “mom” to show her the way.

That Jakota pony is darned cute! And his fee is very reasonable.

But I found this pony and have contacted the owner. His semen ships well, he is ridden/ handled by a child, and appears quite cute.

He’s adorable!!! Crossing my fingers all goes well and you see the coveted “Black Dot” shortly! :slight_smile:

That IS a cute pony and seems nice and quiet. Just curious what his breed is?

Best wishes that everything continues to work well for you.