Horse shopping/ownership anxiety

Well, I mean, those millions of people are delusional crack-pots with no grounding in reality so they just are in denial that their horses are lame, their saddles don’t fit, their horses have ulcers, and their BM is sleeping with their spouse and skimping on hay (the latter being the worse crime). But, more power to them :slight_smile:

I can relate to the above posts, especially since like Quiet Ann I have no aspirations of riderly greatness, quality board is astronomical when you can even find it, and we’re all busy with work, commuting, family, dogs, and resisting the siren call of a fluffy bed, a bowl of ice cream, and a good novel. But. There is nothing like the feeling of being one with your horse, able to feel him in your hands and seat from nose to tail, enjoying being partners and moving through the world at horse pace. When I’m ready to buy the next one, I am going to find some stout, solid, grade-looking plug of negligible flashiness who has a kind eye and good bone and will probably never spook at anything or go lame, ever, and we will have amazing adventures together. (I am tempted by this guy, but I’m still just window-shopping and he’s far away, thank God. https://www.dreamhorse.com/ad/2236288/kenlyn-braveheart-bay-arabian-gelding-solid-citizen-with-a-kind-eye-colorado.html).

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This thread is my people!

I’m in the process of buying for the first time since 2013, and that was a low-fours sentimental impulse buy that only happened because the mare was by my horse’s sire.

I have really questioned my sanity every step of the way.

First off I am still supporting two above mentioned horses now in their early 20s. Fortunately that’s at a greatly reduced cost since they’re in a field on my parents’ property and my dad springs for hay.

That said, I cannot swing three retirees and any horse can injure itself right out of usefulness at any given moment. But that’s the level of risk inherent in horses and the only way to avoid it is to just not own them.

I considered leasing something been-there-done-that so that I could get out there and show on a shorter timeline. But in my area a lease (whether full or half) is going to reflect the price of boarding at facilities that are really out of my budget. And the only thing that gives me more anxiety than the idea of sharing the ride on a horse is full board: not really having a say in what horsey gets fed, how much hay, turnout … especially as a leaser.

So back to buying and self-care board. There’s the option of buying something in its late teens coming down from the mid/upper levels to get some good competition mileage in the short-term. However I tend to think the prices for those horses (at least the ones publicly advertised) are insane considering that the buyer is then the one who has to fund said horse’s retirement in a few short years. I’m also unwilling to stack the deck in favor of having three retirees.

I do not have the budget for a going horse or import, and like the OP am very wary of OTTBs. As lovely as many of them are, it seems that for every success story there are five with KS, chronic lameness, or turn out to be so mentally fried it takes a year just to get to “square one” in restarting them.

So hopefully next week I will be bringing home a jumper-bred coming 4-year-old filly. She has barely been sat on but apparently has a good brain and solid upbringing thus far. If I am lucky she might grow another two inches to hit 16h, which is the low end of what I wanted when I started looking. And I am still spending five times more than I ever have on a horse to buy her.

I’m looking at several months of groundwork and long-lining around the neighborhood before I even think about riding. And if I have to send her out for 30-60 days in the spring, so be it. At least I know her history and any mistakes made will be mine.

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I’ve leased, bought and leased out with mostly good experiences.

We have been lucky. Things I recommend-

  1. If you buy, get insurance on the horse
  2. If you can, lease. Partial lease or full lease. Especially if it’s something you could buy in the future- it will be a horse you know the history on and know you already like it.
  3. Buy a horse that can be leased out to others if you need the financial help.
  4. Hang around barns and get to know other boarders and trainers. There is always a horse that ends up needing a rider.

Its scary. I remember hoping my horse failed the PPE so I wouldn’t go through with it. But he passed and we bought him and he has been everything we ever wanted in a horse.

I do not want to care for a horse at home but I would like to have the option if he ever needs it. We may buy some land sometime if the right thing comes along.

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I have ownership anxiety but only technically own 2 and free lease one. I keep them at home and rarely ride due to work schedule in the winter and barely get to ride the rest of the year. Finding vet, farrier, hay suppliers is a nightmare right now.

Thankfully the horses are sound and easy. I lucked out. I really think the winters off help them.

My pony has turned into a high maintenance bucket of fun. He has Cushings, heaves, and is mr picky pants even before any health issues. But he is sound, just takes 2 hours of time a day soaking hay, making his hot stew 3x a day, plus his horsey stretches.

Really debating selling my horse, sending free lease home when over and getting a mini to keep my pony company.

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I had a whole long post typed out last night and deleted it, since I’ve learned not to trust how I feel about life after midnight :sweat_smile:.

I think one of the biggest struggles outside of the topics above is that I feel like I have to be the expert in literally everything horse related these days. Everyone should be educated and check behind their service providers, but this goes beyond that. I need to be able to read hoof angles (because the farrier can be well recommended and certified, but still let my horse go NPA and lame). I have to do a decently in depth lameness exam and read X-rays myself (because his X-rays are actually clear so no, we won’t be injecting a perfectly good joint). I need to be a trainer (because no, LTD/Ace/draw reins “for a few weeks” aren’t going to fix his giraffe neck and lead change anxiety, trainer who preaches No Gadgets Ever). I need to be saddle fitter, nutritionist, and full time fact checker. It’s just exhausting.

I’m by no means an actual expert in anything. I am not qualified to trim feet or evaluate an injury or reflock a saddle. But it feels like I need to be nearly as educated as the people I hire to ensure my horse’s comfort and safety. DIY board/owning a farm might help that a little by giving me more control, but the barn is my social time too. SO and I have family out of town we like to see often. And finding hay/shavings/feed/farm sitters/etc for one or two horses is a feat unto itself.

I’m definitely feeling the burnout. I’m not the same person when I don’t have horse time, and there’s a few other hobbies I enjoy but not to the same extent. Maybe it’s winter (I do have SAD, lol), new job, horse on layup, etc etc, but it’s been years since I’ve had fun with horses for a consistent amount of time.

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I want to use this all the time. Thanks! :rofl: :rofl:

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I do self board, as a teen and now.

I honestly don’t think basic horse care is that complex if your horse doesn’t have a pre existing issue, and if you don’t ignore warning signs in training and create a chronic stress injury.

Since I returned to riding 15 years ago, I’ve found out great strides have been made in hoof care, nutrition, saddle fit and geberal vet diagnostics. Part of learning more on these subjects is finding service providers that you trust, and then double checking what they say with reputable print sources.

I found that the most useful service providers to learn from were fairly modest in their attitudes. For instance I found the only real certified saddle fitter in the area. She makes cardboard templates that I can take around to consignment shops to evaluate saddles, and it turns out I’m pretty good at finding ones she approves and can relock.

I took a Coursera on horse nutrition and bought the book Feed Your Horse Like a Horse.

I learned to rasp from watching my farrier trained barefoot trimmer, researched boots, attended a Pete Ramey clinic. I lack the physical strength to do much with feet but it’s not hard to recognize a decent hoof or a hoof that would be fine with a trim.

My coach taught me to see subtle lameness along with imbalance.

I got a truck and trailer and learned how to drive them.

I’ve bought into a training philosophy that seems to do no harm to the horse, and learned about ground work and tricks in addition to dressage and trail riding.

Of course the missing component here is that I don’t compete much. It just fell out of the picture. I don’t think it’s impossible within my framework, but not with my current horse.

But I do think that in order to be a horse person, not just a passenger, you do need to know enough about all these things to evaluate your service providers and to participate in the task if needed. People who delegate all horsemanship can find the saddle never really fit, the heels are seriously under run, or you’ve gone down a dead end training program that ignored chronic injury or tried to cure pain behavior with force.

Anyhow knowing as much as I can and taking responsibility for my horse was something I enjoyed as a 14 year old self boarding in a backyard situation in the suburbs with no intelligent adult help, and still enjoy as an adult. It’s part of the fun to me.

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You are 100% right. I have had a variety of horses ( from 2-5 at one time) for decades with no unsoundness or any health issues.

My current 18 year old mare was one of them until she had an injury (just 2 years ago) that makes her more “off” than sound and she borders on metabolic without intensive management. The whole thing just wears a person out…

Even though I know better, I also feel like the majority of horses are a gamble now just because of what I have gone through with her. Ignorance for me was bliss.

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I definitely need to figure out how to flip my attitude on the subject. Less “I can’t trust anyone to do this right” and more “this is very interesting and I’m enjoying finding professionals that work with me”. I think the struggle has been I see an issue, research, try to find someone to fix said issue, and strike out.

My area isn’t particularly horsey, but we are an hour or two from Big Horse Areas, so it’s more the headache of scheduling and trailering out (with a 9-5 job and a horse that currently doesn’t do the whole loading/trailering thing very well). I think part of it all is burnout, struggling with inflation making life expensive, and needing to adjust my outlook.

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Thanks a lot for the temptation–Loveland is about five miles from me. Luckily, 1. I’m not shopping for a horse, and 2. it doesn’t say that he drives, so I’m safe.

Rebecca

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This thread is really resonating with me.

I am an adult re-rider “sort of” (I am not sure you qualify as a re-rider if you rode a fair amount in your youth but never really in any skilled way). I was the horse crazy kid whose primary outlet for my passion was summer horse camps. After college and grad school, I had a childless/horseless reasonably prosperous career period in my twenties when (hindsight being what it is) I probably missed the best window in my lifetime to pursue riding and actually develop skill. Had young kids and career in my thirties. Discovered in my forties that my daughter had inherited my horse gene so spent my forties “sort of” living the dream through her riding: horse ownership, some local showing, immersion in horsey culture and lifestyle.

2010: Daughter went away to college, and I turned 50. The plan was always to sell her horse at that point, but for a variety of reasons, he remains on my payroll to this day. In addition to trying unsuccessfully to sell him a few times, I also tried off and on to repurpose him as a horse for me. When he bucked me off (with intention) and broke my collar bone, I finally got the message. For the last five years, he has had a pretty good retirement setup about 15 minutes away from me. I pay his bills and visit him several times a week.

In order to pursue my riding aspirations while supporting a retired horse over the last half dozen years, I have officially care leased three horses and informally leased several more. Each one has taught me something, and I have enjoyed them all in different ways. However, I have not liked any of them well enough to accept if the owner wanted to gift them to me.

Looking ahead to MY retirement within the next five years, I think sometimes about whether owning another horse might be part of those plans. My husband and I haven’t nailed down retirement details, and they could possibly include a small property that could support a couple of horses. But all the things brought up in this thread make me really, really hesitant. Sad as it is to say, I think the window is fast closing on casual horse ownership for people who have to think twice about the related expenses - not to mention the myriad non-financial challenges of ownership.

Yet, there are still a lot of people who love horses and decide to OWN them and can’t give them up even when they know they might not be making “sound” (pun intended) decisions. The “why” of that is probably worth its own thread. But to circle back to the topic of ownership anxiety, I think the answer for me is that if I ever own another horse, it will be a situation where I won’t go out and shop for a horse… the horse will need to find me.

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The past few years whenever I get a wild idea about owning a horse again this is what stops me in my tracks.

I have this feeling that if I go looking for a horse I will end up with one that needs that oh so understanding home, a home where the horse can retire for medical reasons. Lameness definitely, metabolic issues probably, neurological issues just about guaranteed, I would end up with a horse I can’t ride who will cost me a lot of money, money I can’t afford on Social Security and my small pension.

The only comfort I could get from this scenario would be if that mythical horse was an Arabian mare who still had a good disposition (not in great pain).

BUT I NEED TO RIDE horses to keep walking on my own two feet. When I don’t get to ride my ability to walk on my own two feet deteriorates and I start staggering a lot. When I get to ride horses I can usually walk around my house without canes and I can even walk short distances outside without using my canes. When I don’t ride for weeks my ability to walk deteriorates severely.

I am so thankful that I found a decent lesson stable with decent school horses, well at least if they need my help to develop enough to get to some semblance of soundness they tend to be reasonably cooperative with me.

And when that horse is no longer rideable there are other horses I can ride and I do not have to use my rather limited funds on vet bills and board.

I have learned to respect these lesson horses. Without them there is a good chance I would no longer be able to walk over 30 years after I finally got diagnosed with MS. It is nothing like owning a horse and developing my own horse, but at least I get to ride enough so I can keep walking on my own two feet.

And I really get a kick when these lesson horses learn from me that being ridden can be enjoyable, and I get really happy when the horse I ride starts taking pride in what they do under me. Those little snorts of contentment when the horse finally learns to do what I want are truly priceless to me. Most of these lesson horses suffer from a “praise deficit” and after months of praise from me they open up and realize that just maybe life is not as bad as they had feared. I want the horses I ride to feel pride in their work. When they learn to take pride in what they do they become MUCH better riding horses, at least for me.

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I am married, but all horse related expenses are on my dime. I can sometimes get a loan from my husband, but he always wants me to pay it back.

In 2021 I got so stressed by boarding issues (I wanted to move with trainer, but there were issues and even though my mare did end up moved, I was anxiety filled). I sold her to a family with a couple of girls that loved her. And I thought I would never get another horse.

Then I bought another horse that promptly put me in the hospital. He went back to the seller and payment was reimbursed. And I was sure I was done this time.

But I found a nice horse that had been there and done a lot. My husband gave me the money to buy him. Shortly after that, my work hours were cut and I was struggling financially. Some how I was able to keep his board current and the farrier paid (horse had not had regular farrier care for a while and ended up needing $200 farrier visits for the foreseeable future). And I can keep up with his grain if I am careful. But I owe my trainer/instructor a small fortune.

So I sat down and did some deep soul searching. I looked at my life as it stands now. My husband works nights, so I come home to an empty house. And he often works weekends, too. My sons are grown and one is out of the house. Riding makes me happy. It gives me a social life with like minded women. And I really like this gelding.

So I got a part time job. I am not sure yet how and when I will fit riding in. Maybe I will ride in the morning before I go home. Or maybe it will be in the afternoon during the week after I leave school. I just know that I need to do this. I don’t want regrets that I threw away the thing that makes me happy. I have never had a panic attack at the barn. That can’t be said for other parts of my life. That says a lot.

The stress of horse shopping and trying to match up so many moving parts is horrible. That is true. But so is starving your soul of something necessary. So I say feed your soul.
Sheilah

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OP, I was in a very similar mindset a few years ago. I’d retired my gelding after a series of unrelated soundness issues over about 6 years. He’d get over one, then just as I was really getting my hopes up that life could go back to normal, something else would have him laid up until finally he had to be retired permanently. It really was heartbreaking. I wanted another horse to ride, but the anxiety was paralyzing.
I’d ask some of the people at work how they met their horses and heard amazing stories of how fate worked to bring them together. I was occasionally offered horses to ride for a period when their riders were laid up so I was able to pretend to have a horse of my own temporarily. Finally, I felt like I was ready emotionally to take the plunge. I decided I wanted a 3 year old draft cross and I ended up with a 9 yo OTTB with a sway back and a very low body condition score. Not at all what I wanted, yet he is exactly the horse I needed. I feel so lucky every day.
Don’t push it, your prince will find you. In the meantime, you can sort out how you’ll handle the logistics. I boarded initially at a farm that did not have the amenities I wanted was run by a person I absolutely trust while waiting for a spot to open up at the farm where I really wanted to board. It will all come together.

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You forgot about also being a body worker and having the time to do bodywork and beneficial exercises with your horse every day. Lol.

It really is exhausting. I never expected that I would learn to trim feet but here I am because of a dire lack of quality hoof care providers in my area.

I just try to do the best I can with my current knowledge and the hours in the day I have. It may not always be perfect, there’s things I wish I could do more of, or do better, but on the whole my horse has it pretty good.

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Sometimes I wonder how I’m supposed to consistently ride enough to keep the horse fit, clean my gear, and still work my job and commute. The actual riding and coinciding barn time isn’t the issue so much as the driving all over and special trips for misc tasks like throwing lunch hay or changing blankets - seems like I can never find a barn that offers my Must Haves, or is at least convenient to work or home :sweat_smile:. If I have to start trimming feet, hauling out for every lesson and appointment again, or build my own place, I don’t really know if there’s enough hours in the day! I’m lucky that time at the barn is relaxing, rather than feeling like a chore.

I want the best for my animals and I do actually enjoy creating routines that work for them, but sometimes I wonder where the line is. I thought I had a good system with my personal horse (hay during tack up, 10 minute walk warmups, lots of variety in footing, carrot stretches and backing up after), but then I see some pretty intense routines from people whose experience I respect. I just wonder, where do they find the time (and money!) for 30 minutes of ground exercises and another set of stretches after; the daily foot pads and tail pulls and massage blankets; the constant chiro and massage and PEMF and what have you. On multiple horses! With all that, how do you know what’s working? Is it truly all required to hopefully keep the modern, expensive, low-level sport horse going? Or are so many horses these days just this unsound, and people are throwing everything at them hoping to tip the odds in the favor of a rideable horse?

Edited to add: More importantly, am I insane that I still feel much better after riding, and STILL want to keep at it? :sweat_smile:

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This is an interesting thread. It’s a ways from my background, but here’s my take on it.

OP, you may be best leasing a horse at a good facility that you enjoy.

I have been very fortunate to be born into a horsey family, and have always had horses in my life, for the last 60 years (scary). But I’ve never bought or been bought a “made” horse, a “fully trained” horse, or an expensive horse. Always young horses, green horses, or repurposed horses. We have always kept horses at home, the few times I’ve boarded out a horse, I have been disappointed. I have ridden h/j in competition, all levels. I’ve owned and trained and been involved in the TB racing industry for several decades.
All I can say, is that when you are buying a horse, it’s much like buying a lottery ticket. The only difference being your skill and experience in making your selection of which lottery ticket you buy. You do not know whether this purchase will pay off, and there are many hurdles in front of you to make it pay off. Even if you buy a horse who is fully trained, with a “show record”, and passes a pre-purchase exam to calm your nerves… there are NO GUARANTEES. If you can’t accept this, or can’t afford this, don’t buy a horse.
This is the difference between a “horseman”, and someone who buys a horse. A horseman knows, in advance, that problems and issues are going to come up with the horse, and that the horse may not be what you want it to be, and accepts this, NO MATTER WHAT $$$$$$$$$ YOU HAVE PAID FOR IT. If you are rich, and money doesn’t matter to you, you may purchase any horse you like, at any price, and perhaps this will work out well, and if it doesn’t , it doesn’t matter. If you are not this person, you need to pay less $$$ when you make your purchase. And becoming an actual “horseman” yourself, in the acquisition of skills and experience is worth a lot of money. So the horse you buy gains you experience, and skills, whether or not it turns out to be the horse of your dreams. So it’s still a valuable experience, to a horseman. The money you pay is tuition at the school of horsemanship.

If you enjoy the lifestyle, it is cheaper to keep your horse at home. Horse are often healthier, and sounder, if kept and cared for in a “non-industrial” context. Lots of turn out, not in a jail cell with bars on the windows, fully clipped and blanketed. If you enjoy the “high class stable” look, crystal chandeliers, brass fittings, and a name plate on the stall door with the horse peering through the bars of the oak stable… there will be expenses associated with this plan. Expenses and health issues for the horse. Any lifestyle does have risks for the horse’s health and life. If you own one, you must choose and accept the risks involved in the choices you make with how you keep your horse. We have always chosen the first option, not the fancy show barn but as much turn out and socialization, as much as we can, depending on our location (which has changed through the decades). The longer you spend owning, training, riding, and caring for horses, and the more time you spend with skilled practitioners, riders, trainers, coaches, vets, farriers, the more you can learn to do for yourself, if you care to. The more you can do for yourself, the more affordable it all gets.

Good luck in your search for a horse owning/riding situation. These days, it’s about the only thing that is worth pursuing, IMO.

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Really interesting thread with a lot of great posts! I’ll just make (or echo) a couple of comments from the point of view of a very amateur rider who has not showed in a while but who has owned horses (one at a time) for most of my life.

I grew up on a small sheep-farm and my parents were on board with my having a horse even from a pretty young age. Doing farm chores is a lot of work, even just the daily, routine stuff. But then there’s all the non-routine stuff that takes a lot of time like loading hay, repairing fences and barns, unfreezing the water faucet for the barn, etc. It’s time-consuming and can easily cut into your riding time. As an adult, I’ve chosen to board my horse because I can find good options for boarding and because it gives me somewhat more freedom. I also like the people at the barn and often have someone to trailride with, and that’s important for me.

The second point is that, while you may have plans for what you want to do with your horse, your horse has plans for you! You can vet a horse up the wazoo before purchase, you can spend a small fortune to buy a horse that is purpose-bred for what you want to do, And yet. The “made” jumper will go lame and have its jumping career shortened, the dressage-bred horse will become ring sour, etc. You either have to be independently wealthy or you have to be able to roll with whatever the horse sends your way. (Or both!).

One final point. You don’t have to become an expert in shoeing, veterinary issues, proper feed, and so on. But it is good to read up enough so that you can ask intelligent questions without seeming like “that person” who claims to know it all. It can be hard to ask questions, but the most important thing is to see yourself as your horse’s advocate.

Good luck! Owing a horse is actually a lot of fun (either that or we all have Stockholm syndrome!)

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When I was getting a PPE on my latest, the vet (who has been around horses and horse people approximately forever; this is Dr. Orcutt at SRH, for those in the area) asked me about my plans and hopes, and I said something like “well, if she’s not out killing herself in a freak pasture accident while I sign the papers she might still hate her new home and job, but I’ve ridden her a bunch and enjoyed it and I’m hoping it will work out”. He said it was a much more realistic and appropriate set of expectations than he usually hears!

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OP, I have no magik words of wisdom but I can commiserate. I was toying with the idea of buying something earlier this year, but never pulled the trigger because I just couldn’t get comfortable with it financially. And to be honest, I’m glad that I didn’t, because since then we’ve gone through farm changes, board increases, life changes, etc. I continued to lease just for the peace of mind of not having the long term responsibility, and it has worked in my favor so far.

Totally get what you say too about feeling like you need to be an expert on everything these days to make it. It doesn’t help that it feels like there’s been an influx on social media of ‘experts’ claiming that We’re Doing it All Wrong and causing our horses pain and mental trauma and the only way to fix it is to enroll in their expensive courses where they will teach us The Way. It’s just exhausting to feel like you’re constantly second-guessing every choice you make for your horse because of it. Not to say that some of it is not good information or that we shouldn’t pay attention, but it feels excessive at times. I’m sure that most of us make these choices with the best of intentions and we can get by with a lot less than “perfect.”

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