Horse stomping feet, why?

So about 2 weeks apart from each other- I pulled my horse in from turnout to ride. Both times he very angrily was stomping all his feet. Fronts, hinds. Also seemed like he wanted to itch random parts of his body. It was obvious something was bothering him but not what exactly it was. The first time, my trainer wanted to see him on the lunge line and he looked fine and acted normal. We then elected to get on and do a really light ride. All seemed normal except he did try and scratch a hind leg towards the end. He was happy and normal for many rides afterwards.

Fast forward a few weeks today and I’m confronted again with this irritated stomping horse. Today we just lunged. Both times I rinsed off his legs and then applied coat defense powder.

I just can’t figure out if this is some weird random skin irritation / allergy? Or stomach irritation? He’s cold? Any ideas are welcome.

Things of note:
•It had rained the night before both times. He had no sheet on because the temperature I thought was too high(but going to try to sheet him at a higher temperature with rain)

•No flies or gnats or anything present at the time, because of weather/time of day/bring indoors.

•both times it appeared that MAYBE he had not laid down to sleep those nights. He’s a notoriously dirty guy so I notice if he’s clean especially after a good rain. He lives outside. He does have a run with a shelter with dry footing.

•He does have mild kissing spine and stifle issues. Both are managed and we see vets, bodyworkers, saddle fitters multiple times a year. But again, both days he was fine on the lunge line.

•his back seemed totally fine when I groomed him. No soreness that I could detect. Muscles were soft. But maybe a bit cool, like he did get a little cold? Maybe I’m reaching though.

Same diet he’s been on for years. And again this is only happened twice in a few weeks. It’s not an everyday thing. The only common denominator I can figure out is the rain.

The way he acts seems more like skin irritation. But the fact it happens after the rain and he doesn’t lay down makes me think that he got cold. I’m not sure. It’s all kind of vague and I feel like it could be so many reasons. All I know is that he was irritated today. We will see how he is tomorrow, fairly certain he will probably act just fine! Mystery.

Rainy and cool could be the culprit. Maybe being wet and then drying out had him feeling itchy. The fact that he apparently didn’t lay down and wallow could point to some soreness in those stifles keeping him from feeling comfortable lowering himself down and the prospect of getting back up? Maybe the rain and cool temp had him feeling a little creaky in that respect. So the combo just had him out of sorts. It’s understandable.

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Probably no see ems. You… can’t see em :joy:

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We get them outside but not in the indoor arena. But maybe he was wigging out from being outside beforehand…like you feel your skin still crawling.

The skin thing might be it. I don’t think it’s his stifles. He just had a lameness recheck and has been moving great. He’s also on Adequan. But maybe he doesn’t like laying in the wet and cold weather.

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Certain horses are allergic to the bites, and they’ll be itchy or bothered even without the actual bugs.

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Yeah maybe! Maybe they are just worse after a rain.

Whatever it was he was very grumpy about it.

Does he roll in a particular spot? One year in Aiken my gelding kept rolling in this lovely sandpile that had ants in it. I think he did it twice before he learned. It could be he’s rolling in something in the pasture that’s agitating him, otherwise I’d also think No-See-Ums. I have one that almost can’t be ridden when they’re out, he’s that sensitive to them.

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No really anywhere is game. And he actually clearly hadn’t rolled last night from what I could see.

The thing is the no see ums weren’t out this morning but maybe it was from the middle of the night and his skin was fired up. He definitely is very sensitive about bugs. I won’t ride him in the evening outside in the summer because of the bugs and he freaks out

I’m going to get him new fly shoo leggings and get his fly sheet out I guess. Little prince!

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You might also ask your vet about using Zyrtec.
My TWH reacted to flies every Summer, becoming very itchy. Mainly his neck, where he’d get small round spots he’d scratch raw.
Nothing topical - flyspray, SWAT or an OTC anti-itch cream - helped.
Per vet’s suggestion, I put him on 100mg generic Zyrtec twice a day & he’s no longer scratching or getting the spots on his neck.

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Yeah I was thinking of Zyrtec. I’ve heard everyone has been extra itchy this spring.

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They make mine very itchy and miserable so the itching goes on long after they are inside.

Have you felt around his sheath, is the skin all irritated?

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Just want to put a plug in here for Spirulina. My Appaloosa gelding is super sensitive to bugs and heat and will rub and gnaw himself raw and bloody. I’ve used generic Zyrtec in the past with decent results, but he’s also prone to anhidrosis in the depths of summer when it’s brutally hot and humid, and I read somewhere that antihistamines can exacerbate that issue. I started him on Spirulina back in early April when we had an unseasonable hot spell and he started rubbing and gnawing (usually doesn’t do this so early in the spring). It took a little time, but he’s much less itchy now. Eyes aren’t as runny either, and his chronic “heavy breathing” when ridden has improved as well. Overall he just seems happier and healthier. We’ll see if it holds true once summer is truly in full swing and the temps and bugs get worse.

Also, I swear by Equiderma products. Bathing in the Neem shampoo seems to really calm my guy’s skin and coat.

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My Fjord mare stomps with her back feet. It seems to be totally random and she’s quite emphatic about it. Doesn’t matter if she’s in her field, in her stall, being ridden, in crossties. Doesn’t matter time of year, if her legs are wet or dry, clipped or not clipped, fly sprayed or not fly sprayed. Vet has seen her do it and is like that’s weird but couldn’t find any cause for concern

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Yes definitely could be the gnats overnight or early morning. I’m not sure if the boots work for those. And if it’s an allergy, it might not be that he’s getting bitten solely on the legs but that’s where the symptoms are showing up the most. One of my horses rubbed his neck bald last year because of the gnats…and he was rubbing primarily indoors. This year we are trying allergy shots, and so far so good being in buggy SC this spring, but we’ll see if that lasts now we are back in CO.

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Sheath appeared fine yesterday.

Does your horse eat the spirulana okay? Do you have to wet it down or anything?

The skin around there, on the inside of their back legs, etc. is prime real-estate for things that bite.