horses and... alligators?

So I’m looking at the very likely possibility that I will be moving soon south of charleston sc near the coast. The last time my horses were at home I was living in Indiana, so I’m finding myself running into all kinds of interesting things I never did before. A hurricane or high water escape plan is one of them, but I just got in a conversation with someone about alligators and now I’m scared for my horses lives. Is there some kind of anti-alligator fence I should look into? Is there a standard procedure for dealing with them if you see one? I’ll be bringing two slightly derpy thoroughbreds and two bite sized dogs with me.

Anyone else live in a low country area with horses with other tips or tricks a northerner won’t think about?

Ok while living in Florida we had small pond with small alligator, like iguana sized, 2ft or so, in the field with my three horses, next to field with a dozen or so. Saw it sunning itself daily, cats tormented it. Non issue.

In the derby field where we rode, which also adjoined several larger fields that housed alternately horses and cows, larger pond, at least one larger alligator, five feet or so. Other than me being terrified it was a complete nonissue for the horses, including the half dozen three year olds we started there. I regularly lunged then rode on the edge of the pond. You’d see the big guy floating out there, but rarely did he even come up into the grass when people/horses were around.

Now others did take pictures of giant scary alligators crossing the dirt road we lived on, so I’m pretty much more scared for myself than for my horses.

I’d be more concerned for the snack-pack sized dogs.

We had a 6 ft. alligator attack a horse in a pasture in Odessa, Fl. last May.
Horse had some serious bite marks on a leg but I don’t know the final outcome.

Your small dogs are definitely at risk. We have news reports frequently of smaller dogs being grabbed, drowned and eaten.

Alligators are not something to take lightly, so it’s best if you take precautions
to have sturdy, wire fencing. And gators have been known to roam over a mile from any water so it’s not just areas near ponds, etc.

We bought a horse from Louisiana that came from a ‘rough’ field. He lived with crabby broodmares, some horned cattle, barb-wire fencing, gators in places in the rough fields. Barb wire tacked up on trees and T-posts to keep them in. He was a yearling, really nice horse and HAD NO marks on him despite his living situation. Very self-preservation type thinker, stayed out of harms way.

The cowboy owner of the ranch/farm talked about making extra money Gator Roping to remove them for others. These were big gators who could snack on calves, so they had to be removed from the fields, pasture ponds. Told us some stories of his adventures! He said any gators they had ‘here at home’ were just little ones, nothing over 4ft. Horses and gators just would move aside if they met in a field, on the farm lane, didn’t bother each other. His dogs were bigger ones, cattle dogs like Catahoula types to bring them up out of the brush. So not a good size for his gators.

This guy had kept this horse since it was a weanling, boarding it for the owner. I guess horse must have learned by observation about gators, in just avoiding them. I would worry about a horse who was extremely curious, sticking his nose into everything, checking stuff out closely because he might be bored or just nosey. That one might get bit. Not sure how badly gators smell, if that might not be attractive to the horse, keep him from close-up sniffing.

On the dog thing, you might want to silence any dog tags. Gators learn FAST and at the State Parks with the WARNING ALLIGATORS signs, they have learned to enjoy dogs as snacks. We talked to the Ranger when camping at one, with the funny sign of DO NOT MOLEST THE ALLIGATORS. He said for some reason a number of folks camping CAN NOT leave the gators alone when they are sunning on the banks of the ponds. Many have small dogs on leashes, think it is funny when the dog barks and acts fierce towards the gator. Those people will let the dogs get VERY close to the gator, then are shocked when the gator jumps 4-5 feet and grabs the dog, slides into the pond. This is even with owner pulling on the leash, they can’t hold gator out of the water or pull dog out of his mouth. Dog is gone for good! Ranger said you can see the gator tense, blink, when it hears the dog tags jingling as owner is walking along. It is like ringing the dinner bell! Gator does NOTHING but lay there, people and dogs do this to themselves by getting much too close despite ALL warnings of signs, Ranger suggestions to owners, then gator has another snack. Warning signs are posted everywhere, people think “they are more special” when approaching gator with leashed dog and LOOK the gator isn’t doing anything!

So my thinking is horse can get used to having gators around, maybe your farm location keeps them “picked up” or removed from their ponds. Even so, gators will dig under fences, get into previously “safe” ponds, so you do have to keep an eye out for them ALL the time.

A person we met had his mini donkey get grabbed by the nose, was fighting to get loose from a BIG gator so it wouldn’t get pulled into the pond. Man managed to get it loose (a VERY dangerous practice without a gun and I don’t think it is legal to shoot them), then had the DNR come get the gator because he told them he WOULD shoot it. He had no-climb fence, dug bottom into the ground, but gator had dug under it to reach the pond anyway. Scary story!! I don’t know any stories about horse having problems, but there probably are some who have had issues.

Maybe no ponds or wet places in the fields, horses getting watered out of tanks would be a big start to not having problems with gators.

I have always wondered about this; I have a lot of family in Florida and have been amazed at the size of alligators that routinely hang out in public near waterways.

I wouldn’t want any ponds in my pasture, that’s for sure. I wonder about how you would sensitize a horse to alligators if they had never seen one. I can’t even imagine what would go through my mare’s brain if she saw an alligator in her pasture! :eek: I saw her spook at a flymask on the ground once. :slight_smile:

If you have a pond you will have a gator eventually. Horses that grow up with them learn to cope with them. Some horses will not drink from a pond if a gator is present, so always have a water trough.

You will also have water moccasin snakes, mosquitoes and gnats. The bugs may be the most unpleasant to deal with.

If the horses can get into the pond, it could be bad for their feet. If property is mushy there will be mowing, and mud issues.

Pythiosis, aka ‘swamp cancer’, is a big concern for the dogs and horses, if there is a pond or wet area.

If you can, find property with good drainage and no pond.

As in all cases, bite sized pets should always be supervised. I work regularly in rivers with gators (which I enjoy much more than the other Coastal Plain goodies like WNV mosquitoes - srsly, why is there no vaccine for humans??! - and immortal deer flies) & just like most other wildlife, they prefer to mind their own business & eat the easiest things possible.

Horses are not easy.

Large females (I consider 10’+) can be extremely territorial about their ponds, and I respect that, particularly at night! But they’re not marauding serial killers (unfortunately THOSE exist most often in human form, ugh).

The SE coast is home to tens of thousands of happy, healthy horses (well, they’re still busy finding stupid things to do since their horses). I would not rank “alligator” very high on a relative risk assessment – for your own peace of mind, it is always best to establish contacts with the horse community in the area & collect “tips & tricks” from the good ones. Internet speculation can drive the best of us off a cliff! :wink:

Well said, Wildlifer.

Remind me to implore you for a counseling session before I move South.

Wildlifer, nice dodge not mentioning those palmetto bugs and stingy-tailed arachnids we have, as well. To say nothing of those non-native pythons… :cool:

Fences? We don’t need no stinkin’ fences!

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I don’t think I am going to complain about our rattlers any more.

Oh man, I had to look at this while we are considering a job offer in Jacksonville.

Let it snow, let it snow
Walk away and slam the door!
Let the storm rage on…

I think I’ll stay northeast- alligators, rattlesnakes…

Once during a period of extreme drought we had a smallish gator (about 5 feet) move into our small pond. Wally lived in the pond for about 2 years. I was careful to keep the farm dogs out of the pond but otherwise no problem. Game and Fish came out and tried to catch him but had no luck. Once while the pump was out of commission I had to let the horses in to drink from the pond. The haflinger gelding waded in and came nose to nose with Wally. I don’t know who was more startled! Both did 180’s, the horse snorting and Wally hissing. It was rather funny. One thing, we had no snakes while Wally was in residence. The drought continued, the pond dried up and Wally moved on.

Wow. It would never occur to me to worry about this. :slight_smile: We have plenty o’ gators, for sure, but I never once thought about them trying to take a horse. I’ve certainly never heard of such a thing.

I’ve ridden by them on occasion with no reaction from horse or gator. I suppose I look a lot closer to snack-size than my horse - and I’ve sure walked and waded and even swam past many many a gator completely without incident. I’d never go aggravate one, but wildlifer has it right - you leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone. :yes:

As for your little dogs, though - yes definitely no leaving them outside unsupervised. Even in a fence. Not so much because of the gators - I’d bet wandering loose dogs, or coyotes, or bobcat would get your little dogs way before a gator would. And if they’re the type to aggravate a snake, we do have five different varieties of venomous snake. I also once had a great horned owl try to make off with my Lhasa puppy. Never a gator though! :smiley:

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Wildlifer, nice dodge not mentioning those palmetto bugs and stingy-tailed arachnids we have, as well. To say nothing of those non-native pythons… :cool:[/QUOTE]

Whatyamean palmetto bugs? Us Noo Yawkers calls them cockroaches. You just grow 'em bigger’n better

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Whatyamean palmetto bugs? Us Noo Yawkers calls them cockroaches. You just grow 'em bigger’n better[/QUOTE]

And they FLY!!! :eek:

Alligators will eat your dogs.

You can buy no climb fencing to keep gators out of pastures. Call a fencing company when you buy a place. Gators will pull large animals into ponds and marshes to drown them. And watch out for the water moccasins in fresh water. They are poisonous. Much like the rattlesnakes in the pine tree areas. We have a lot of dangerous animals in the South.

Yeah, even in town in Savannah sometimes a gator will try to get into a yard. Your chain link has to be 6 ft not 4 ft. And don’t think it is just fresh water that gators get into. Even in our Vernon River, some gators will be found. And it’s a salt water river that empties out into the Atlantic.