Horses with no focus

First time encountering this. Horse has no focus at all.

Rides horribly at home, but tends to pay more attention at shows. I’m not sure what to do with this one. It jumps great when it’s paying attention, but not so much when it’s not.

Looking for feedback from people that have experienced this with horses and what they did. Is there any vitamin supplement that helps? Some people suggest B’s and Magnesium but I’ve always thought this was for ‘calming’… this horse is not hot and spooky… just unfocused.

As a trainer, I’d want to know a lot more about this horse’s background before offering any specific suggestions.

How old? Colt/filly/gelding/mare? What is the breeding? How long has it been in work? How was it started? What sort of health/condition is it in? Is it in a program? What does a typical work session consist of?

Generally, when a horse is “unfocused,” it’s typically not responsive to the aids, but this is rarely confined to work under saddle. This is the horse that steps on you when you lead it, keeps walking when you want to stop in the cross tie, won’t step away when you push on its side. No need to go all NH on a horse like this (people get so obsessed with that) but ‘focusing’ is a full time requirement, it doesn’t just magically happen under tack.

Raising the standard for a horse like this can help, i.e.- don’t make excuses, and don’t cut any slack. When you ask it to do something, expect it will happen promptly and if it does offer a quick reward. If it doesn’t, offer an equally quick correction (one that will get the horse’s attention). Don’t make things complicated–these ‘unfocused’ horses are seldome the “rocket scientists” among equines.

Repeat, repeat, repeat. It takes repetition for most horses to learn anything, and it takes the unfocused horse a little longer. But once it sinks in, it’s usually there forever.

It can be tedious to work with a horse like this, because the rider/trainer needs to maintain all the focus that the horse lacks, and must also be persistent, firm, and confident enough to see the programming through until it sticks.

If the horse has other, undesirable behaviors that go along with the lack of focus, it can actually be dangerous (horses are big, they can hurt you). Even without this consideration, training will go more quickly if you get competent outside help, but if there are vices (biting, striking, lack of respect) it’s even more critical to get help from a good professional, either one that will go to you or by sending the horse out to formal training program.

This.

Beside the above excellent post, when we are lethargic and unfocused, we usually see a doctor. Wouldn’t hurt to pull some blood and see if he is deficient in something or even anemic (more common then you think). Or sick.

Spend money on that first instead if throwing it at supplements that may or may not work for what may or may not be wrong physically.

Earplugs can help sometimes. Some horses are like kids that can’t process so much sensory information at once. A quiet world helps them take in the rider better.

I second the ear plugs. We had one that wasn’t started the best, and he just would look out of the ring the whole time, want to be head high, etc. We stuck ear plugs in him and it helped drastically. We were able to actually start working with him and correcting his issues. We also put him on SmartCalm Ultra too and it helped a lot. He wasn’t hot, or spooky. Just ADD basically :slight_smile:

Is the horse ‘unfocused’ or ‘bored’? If more focused in competition, it might be bored. I have one that bores easily, which means lots of cross training and quick change ups in the workout without a ton of repetition. Lot of transitions up/down between/within gaits. Lots of changes to fences when jumping as in

  • only jump the height once/twice before altering
  • change the appearance similarly frequently
  • change the track you are riding everytime.

It doesn’t make the training random, still systematic and building one piece on the other but without drilling. It should be impossible to get around the ring in one circuit

I would also look to the horse’s past rider(s) and their habits. My friend’s horse mirrors her ADD, but when others ride him, he’s fine.

Great advice here already.

I have one too. Bred and raised him myself. It took a long time to get him to lunge. We did a lot (3 months?) of long lining prior to riding. Riding him was something that felt very odd. His focus rotates around the arena, going here, going there, and rarely going where I wanted it to go, and almost never on me, when mounted or on the ground. And he was tense, and he doesn’t appreciate much contact with his mouth either. Draft cross, 3/4 TB and tends to the drafty side. Great jumper, when things went right. It took two years to break him to ride where I actually felt safe on him. Getting an iron halter to lunge him in was a good thing, it is soft if he was bent towards me, but if he started to ignore me, or try to bolt, it brought his attention back onto me right away, no doubt. I didn’t have one when I started with him, but getting one made a big difference. The ultimate in lunging cavassons for horses who have no focus.

Things have got better, very good actually, now. But it took a long time. And he’s still weird. The few other people who have ridden him have not got on with him well, but he and I have a system that works, although it is very different from most other horses. He has a high drive to do the right thing, and doesn’t like to actually be given cues, because he knows it all already, silly human.

I reduced my goals. I just wanted him to go softly, stretching his head and neck down, relaxed, and paying at least some attention to me some of the time. I did not give him a lot of cues, just leg, just “forward”. It became his goal… relaxation. No spooking (he was one of those who spooked at the same thing every time around the arena, a pile of poles stored in the corner). Think in terms of where his attention is, and isn’t. When he was going to spook at the poles, I put a cone on the other side (a Christmas tree actually), then I put a crosspole jump there instead. So, if he didn’t pay attention to the jump instead of the pile of poles, he was going to fall over the jump. Repeat. This forces his attention to where you want it, without YOU actually being involved. In this way, it became possible to put his focus where I wanted it, when I wanted it there, and he has improved a LOT. But he’s still a weird horse, an oddball.

I also had to ride this horse on Atravet for about a month, right at the beginning. Because he just got more upset at any attempt to communicate with him, and seemed to be just expecting to be upset and tense, in advance of actually being contacted in any way. The atravet made things less stressful for him, and I was not always having to correct things (spooks, bolts), so we could both relax, and expect to be relaxed. This helped a LOT. Because I did not want to be constantly correcting things, I WANTED to just throw the reins at him and let him trot and canter softly and quietly, but that is hard to do when the horse is tense, spooking, bolting, and not paying attention. So the atravet broke the vicious circle, and showed him how to relax, and that I wanted him to relax, and that he wanted to relax. For a while, this goal taught him to root, which was not the ultimate goal, but I understood what it meant to him, and he progressed through that in time, and no longer does that often.

He’s not a normal horse, and you can’t change him into a normal horse. He is the horse he is… odd. You have to find a way to contact him, in a way that he can accept, which is not the normal way to ride and train a horse. Contact him, and give him a reward. So start by finding a reward that he appreciates, and use that. Good luck! I hope some small part of my experience with this horse may help you. I’ve broke and rode a lot of horses in a number of decades without encountering one like this one. But I quite like and appreciate him now! The joke is… people who watch him at the horse shows now think he is “easy” to ride LOL! And he is, for me. Because we accommodate to each other, and I let him be the horse he is.

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First time encountering this. Horse has no focus at all.

Rides horribly at home, but tends to pay more attention at shows. I’m not sure what to do with this one. It jumps great when it’s paying attention, but not so much when it’s not.

Looking for feedback from people that have experienced this with horses and what they did. Is there any vitamin supplement that helps? Some people suggest B’s and Magnesium but I’ve always thought this was for ‘calming’… this horse is not hot and spooky… just unfocused.[/QUOTE]

How old is this horse?

If you have a horse that looks to you for confidence/your response, changing the tone of school sessions may help.

I’ve found for myself at least, I have an “all business” demeanor at shows that my old horse picked up on and emulated. He would be spooky/looky/goofy at home, and brave and focused at shows. With him, the second I was on him, he was working; even our walking warm-up- marching walk, lateral work, bending, in a light frame, and I kept that mentality the entire ride. Every schooling session had the same “all business” feeling as a show- right down to horse boots/wraps and a bonnet. :yes:

Sometimes, they feel the difference in your body and mindset. On days, I wanted a light hack/trail ride, I would do a firm 5-10 minute warm up to get him “listening”, and then let him relax and wander as he pleased; schooling sessions and lessons were all business all the time. He really enjoyed it, and had a great work ethic, but had a tendency to unravel and become frazzled if he had the chance.

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This.

Beside the above excellent post, when we are lethargic and unfocused, we usually see a doctor. Wouldn’t hurt to pull some blood and see if he is deficient in something or even anemic (more common then you think). Or sick.

Spend money on that first instead if throwing it at supplements that may or may not work for what may or may not be wrong physically.[/QUOTE]

This first for sure. Sometimes I assume that some things ‘go without saying,’ but I should have said this first.

Always try to make SURE there is no health related reason behind any apparent training problem. Nothing is more unfair to a horse than to ask it to do something it’s not up to doing because of pain or discomfort or illness.