it sounds as though he has no idea what you want him to do. And chasing him doesn’t teach him anything much except possibly make it hard for you catch him in the pasture later on.
I’m a big fan of clicker-training horses, especially young horses, on the ground. They actually figure out what you want them to do, and learn very rapidly. You end up with a horse that has beautiful ground manners, and understands a ton of verbal cues, and is eager to work with humans.
There’s no need to “gain your horse’s respect”, or beat him with a whip. Just communicate with him and be very consistent.
The subtleties of round penning and lungeing are so small, you are possibly blocking him and not knowing it. It is not a matter of faster and faster and chasing. The smaller the circle the slower he has to go to remain injury free. He can pop a splint with very little of this kind of work.
If you had someone who was very good at this, they could come and watch you. He needs to be going with just a look or slight turn of the body and increased sensitivity.
In any case, for horses “respect” is what you see when you get the behaviour you want, not the attitude that produces the good behaviour (as it would it a person).
Just communicate with him and be very consistent.
This, of course.
[QUOTE=pal-o-mino;7249682]
OK, I’ll try a smaller circle. And I do use a whip on his butt, but he knows when I can’t reach him, thus the chasing. If I’m in the middle, he won’t move. I have to stay with him a whips length away, which gets me out of breath quick in a big round pen. I need him to learn to move even when I can’t reach him, but know I mean it and I will. I wouldn’t mind going after him once in a while, but what I’m doing now is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
No. Sorry. First you need to make sure he knows what you’re asking. Have you done any ground work with him yielding to pressure -move shoulders, move haunches? If not start there. The RP isn’t magic. Chasing him around will just drive him onto the forehand.
Paula
[QUOTE=pal-o-mino;7249682]
OK, I’ll try a smaller circle. And I do use a whip on his butt, but he knows when I can’t reach him, thus the chasing. If I’m in the middle, he won’t move. I have to stay with him a whips length away, which gets me out of breath quick in a big round pen. I need him to learn to move even when I can’t reach him, but know I mean it and I will. I wouldn’t mind going after him once in a while, but what I’m doing now is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Buy a longer whip. 
[QUOTE=paulaedwina;7250867]
No. Sorry. First you need to make sure he knows what you’re asking. Have you done any ground work with him yielding to pressure -move shoulders, move haunches? If not start there. The RP isn’t magic. Chasing him around will just drive him onto the forehand.
Paula[/QUOTE]
I never really understood the point of round pens. We don’t use them around here. The lunge line should set the length of the circle not the pen. I don’t think it’s a big help to people new to lunging at all.
I was not raised using a round pen, but after I came here and saw horses being worked properly on one, I think they are a marvellous tool for starting horses.
A lot of horses raised without much handling do really well in them. Obviously, there is more than one way to start a horse. But the small, subtle movements of a good trainer are not wasted on a horse.
