How do you safely break up a dog-fight?

I’ve wondered about this a lot recently…especially in light of the threads about the woman’s dog being attacked a few weeks ago, and now the poster who’s dog killed her other dog…

When you’re a child, you’re taught to NEVER get between two fighting animals. You could be seriously hurt. So if you are present when two dogs go at it, what can you do? Are there any steps to follow? I just think this would be a good thing for everyone to be educated on.

Some different factors I’ve considered are:

If one or both dogs are leashed. (well, if both are leashed, hopefully you could pull them apart…but still)

If the fight appeared “mutual” or if one dog clearly attacked the other.

Size/breed of both dogs.

Heck, I’m assuming there are only two dogs fighting…what happens in a pack atmosphere and multiple dogs go at one?

What do you do? What do you not do?

This is an excellent video about how to break up a dog fight safely. Made by Ed Frawley of Leerburg Kennels - one of the top breeders/trainers of police dogs in the world.

http://leerburg.com/flix/videodesc.php?id=893

By whatever means necessary as long as it doesn’t involve me getting in the middle.

If you are by yourself and both dogs are leashed, grab one leash, tie it to something, grab other leash and pull backwards until they are separated.

If one is leashed, grab the leash, tie it something, grab dog #2’s back legs (be careful, they may turn around to bite you, in which case, let go and try another method), pull backward until separated. Put dog #2 in another room.

If everyone is free, I’ll start by yelling. Sometimes if you have good verbal control, it stops the fighting until you can get one out of there. Then use what you have. I’ve used a broom to get in between them long enough to get one out of the room. I’ve used water. I picked a 90# pitbull up one day and tossed him in a kennel (not the smartest move ever, was working on instinct, not brain). Once I had to let them fight it out while I went and got help. That wasn’t fun. Or pretty. It’s easier if you have help. If you have leashes handy on unleashed dogs, you can get the leash around dog one’s tummy, clip it to fence, get leash around dog 2’s tummy and pull backwards. Much safer that way, no hands on dogs to get redirected aggression. That works well if you have leashes or ropes handy.

What doesn’t work is beating them with anything, it just makes them more mad. (Unless you are breaking up one of the recent fights in my house. In which case, I beat them with a pair of shorts and yelled, and that stopped it, but I normally have very good verbal control of the guys).

Now with all that, it sounds like I have dogs fighting all the time. Not really, but I do work in an animal shelter, and in the course of having 50+ dogs with unknown temperaments in one place, you get fights. Especially since they are being handled by volunteers who don’t always pay attention when we ask them not to socialize the dogs with one another.

Our Golden Retriever will sometimes attack our beagles (mainly just one of them) and she won’t stop the fight once it is started.

We used to use water, yelling, grabbing, etc.
The only thing that works for us now is using an air horn. She lets go immediately.
However, that’s only at home. If you’re talking about dog fights out and about at dog parks or on walks or whatever then you’re most likely not going to be near an air horn. In that case I wouldn’t really know what to do. Depends on the size of dogs I suppose.

[QUOTE=Sonesta;7174477]
This is an excellent video about how to break up a dog fight safely. Made by Ed Frawley of Leerburg Kennels - one of the top breeders/trainers of police dogs in the world.

http://leerburg.com/flix/videodesc.php?id=893[/QUOTE]

What an excellent video, Sonesta. Thank you for sharing. That is how I was taught to break up a fight - a real one - not just two hounds fussing at each other. I’ll have to buy one of those leashes for the kennel - we don’t have one like that. It could be useful.

I agree wholeheartedly with his statement about dogs that fight and about deciding that in extreme cases, the only sane decision is to not risk your own life to break it up.

OP - I would not step in to a fight where dogs have packed up.

Unless it involves one of my dogs, I am NOT getting in the middle. Mine are not aggressive at all. They are never unsupervised outside even though our property is securely fenced. IF we ever should have an intruder that attacked one of mine, they would be separated by a baseball bat to the other dogs skull.
One of my neighbors was very nearly killed trying to separate two dogs. He grabbed the smaller dog , and the bigger dog bit him on the neck and face nearly tearing his throat, trying to get the smaller dog.

Shoot the dog that isn’t yours (just slightly sarcastic).

hitting the other dog with a big stick doesn’t work very well- tried that. The aggressive dog went after me instead of my dog.
I know someone who tried the grab the hind legs and pull method who is now horribly scarred and has lost use of her right hand.
I don’t think there is any safe method to break up a real fight. Not one of these yelling matches- yelling matches are easily broken up. Real fights are rare, luckily, and very dangerous.

you break up pig fights with a big flat board - try to wedge it between them. Would this work for dogs or would you still be so close that they just turn at you?

I saw a video of a guy who claimed to be a pit bull breeder, but was fairly sure he had fighting dogs- the vid was demonstrating how to break off a latched-on pit with a “breaking stick” It was a large, round dowel about the length of your hand. Creepy to think about.

ETA: watched the vid & really liked it. I am now watching other stuff by same dude.

Very interesting video.

I can only tell you how to NOT break up a dog fight because the last two I broke up I was injured. Sigh.

The last incident in our home was solved when I whacked one of the participants in the head with bowl of kibble I had in hand which had been what started the fight. Both dogs saw food and decided that was more interesting than each other.

[QUOTE=Sonesta;7174477]
This is an excellent video about how to break up a dog fight safely. Made by Ed Frawley of Leerburg Kennels - one of the top breeders/trainers of police dogs in the world.

http://leerburg.com/flix/videodesc.php?id=893[/QUOTE]

Great video! Thank you for sharing!

Maybe I’m having a bit of a blonde moment, but how does spinning the dog keep them from biting you? I just gave it a practice run with our JRT (gently) and she was able to whip around and lick my arm. I get how it the spinning motion would take their mind off of the fight (much like turning a horse in a circle helps to take their mind off naughty behavior) but it seems like just about any dog could turn around and tag you faster than you could spin them.

I’ve heard that about grabbing the back legs but I also don’t see how to do that without getting bitten either on the arm or worse, the face…

When my dogs at home squabble I’m able to step between them or actually just toward them, they stop when I yell at them.

When my Great Pyrenees (briefly) fought with a young dog that was chasing our horses WAY too intently he clamped down on the other dog’s leg and wouldn’t let go until I curled his nose up; that was the only way I could get him to release. At that point it was no longer a fight, the other dog had given up, but Able wasn’t letting him go.

I’ve seen guys drop a lariat rope into a dog fight and pull them apart, similar to the dog leash scenario. probably about the safest idea. Their brains do go into a zone and it’s hard to break into that.

That was a good video-makes me laugh when he calls it “the ball”-that is exactly what it is, a big loud sharp unpredictable ball of fight!

[QUOTE=Superminion;7178040]
Great video! Thank you for sharing!

Maybe I’m having a bit of a blonde moment, but how does spinning the dog keep them from biting you? I just gave it a practice run with our JRT (gently) and she was able to whip around and lick my arm. I get how it the spinning motion would take their mind off of the fight (much like turning a horse in a circle helps to take their mind off naughty behavior) but it seems like just about any dog could turn around and tag you faster than you could spin them.[/QUOTE]

The thing about the spinning them was not demonstrated very well in the video. It is more like SLINGING them around and around so that their weight is being thrown away from you.

I hate to say that I have had to use this method when DH brought home a new dog for SAR training and a couple days later it got into a fight with DH’s current dog. DH grabbed new dog’s legs and I grabbed our dog’s legs and we dragged them apart and slung them round and round til we were dizzy and they were distracted enough that the were no longer “in the zone” and we could get leashes on both of them.

But breaking up a dog fight is terribly dangerous and I would never recommend anyone trying unless they really must (both these dogs were too valuable to the SAR world to let them injure each other and we grabbed them within seconds of the fight starting so they weren’t fully into “kill” mode).

To be honest I’m pretty sure you need to be spinning them like a helicopter because nothing else is hard or fast enough to keep them from turning on you. We could throw them into the Bay when dogs got into fights at the boat harbor, that worked well except it’s very hard on the back.

The video is good. The dogbite page . . . OMG. And these people often continue to keep dogs or make excuses for them. How did we avoid this kind of stuff when I was a kid? Or was it just not spoken about?

[QUOTE=Sonesta;7178115]
The thing about the spinning them was not demonstrated very well in the video. It is more like SLINGING them around and around so that their weight is being thrown away from you.

I hate to say that I have had to use this method when DH brought home a new dog for SAR training and a couple days later it got into a fight with DH’s current dog. DH grabbed new dog’s legs and I grabbed our dog’s legs and we dragged them apart and slung them round and round til we were dizzy and they were distracted enough that the were no longer “in the zone” and we could get leashes on both of them.

But breaking up a dog fight is terribly dangerous and I would never recommend anyone trying unless they really must (both these dogs were too valuable to the SAR world to let them injure each other and we grabbed them within seconds of the fight starting so they weren’t fully into “kill” mode).[/QUOTE]

That’s kind of what I thought, and obviously I don’t think that he’s going to helicopter his good girl any more than I was going to helicopter mine, but I wanted to ask to clarify.

The dogbite page squicked me out. I know that sometimes things happen, but… :eek:

Personally, I’ve never witnessed a dog fight, where both dogs are basically interested in going at it. I’ve only seen attacks, where one dog just wants to escape. 3 of them, in 30 years. I’d be very happy to never see another.

The Q&A pages on Leerburg are depressingly hilarious. So many biting dogs, so many excuses. It reminds me of a recent dog attack story where vicious POS dogs attacked a small, older dog on the sidewalk. The POS’s owner’s reasoning was that the POS had not been ATTACKING the passing dog. No, they’d been “disciplining” the dog for barking at them. Win, place and show, fantasy division.

[QUOTE=Sonesta;7178115]
The thing about the spinning them was not demonstrated very well in the video. It is more like SLINGING them around and around so that their weight is being thrown away from you. [/QUOTE]

Oh dear…I hope to God our Great Danes never get in a fight, or maybe I should start lifting weights just in case? :winkgrin:

Seriously, what if the dogs are too large for this to work?

Once my Great Pyrenees and one of the BMC’s were in a pretty significant scuffle, in front of my entire traumatized/shocked/freaked out family, and my husband solved the whole problem by full-body tackling the GP! :eek: NOT RECOMMENDED!

I once had to break up a nasty dog fight and I got very lucky, it was a pack of golden retriever females that turned on the bottom female

I was able to grab a water hose and they were at the gate closest to the water hose and I sprayed them full blast while pounding on the gate and screaming at them, but I knew that the alpha female hated water

the dog did survive but they beat her up bad for as short as it was b/c I saw the fight start