I’m curious how other barns divide expenses among their clients for away horse shows. Does the trainer’s room get divided based on the number of students at the show, or the number of horses each person brings to the show? I am bringing three horses while other students (there are 3) are each bringing one and am being told that I need to pay for half the expense of my trainers room & board. Is this typical? Thanks for any feedback.
With my clients anything that is billed through the horse show office is split between the horses at the show (tack stalls, etc). My travel expenses are split amongst the clients at the show (so it doesn’t matter how many horses each client brings, each client is charged the same split for the hotel room).
My barn does ‘trainer splits’ between riders. ETA: hotel, food, travel.
I have not shown in a while, so my opinion may not matter, but essentially you are just asking your trainer to come down to the show with you (and therefore have to pay their room/board). The number of horses you are bringing should not matter unless the trainer would be leaving earlier/arriving later if your horse(s) were not showing on the first/last day, which would still not be typical.
We have always been billed per horse, if there are 10 horses and trainers expenses are 1000.00 each horse is charged 100.00. So if three of those horses are yours you pay 300.00. Even if trainer has 2, she/he pays their share.
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My barn does ‘trainer splits’ between riders.
I have not shown in a while, so my opinion may not matter, but essentially you are just asking your trainer to come down to the show with you (and therefore have to pay their room/board). The number of horses you are bringing should not matter unless the trainer would be leaving earlier/arriving later if your horse(s) were not showing on the first/last day, which would still not be typical.[/QUOTE]
Sure it matters, if the splits at the show office are divided by rider, how is that fare to the rider with one horse compared to the rider with 4? Rider with four horses is using more tack stalls, using more hay, grain, etc???
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When I did away shows (which has not happened for several years now) the trainer’s room and board expenses were divided by rider not by horse.
The tack stall(s) were divided by horse count. We brought our hay so that was not billed, bedding was billed directly to the people who ordered it.
Now im questioning what we have done. I remember a trainer saying to me all billing is done per horse, (each rider/horse combination). So if you had multiple horses, (this is full service environment) your paying your trainer training for each horse, not just once per day, daycare is per horse, and all expenses are per horse. If show started Monday, and trainer left that day to check in and set up, but you didnt show up until thursday, you still paid equal amount of “splits” just obviously not daycare or training.
I was always charged based on splitting the hotel by the number of owner/riders and everything else per horse. The trainer gets the same hotel room and food regardless of the number the horses.
All the day and coaching/training/schooling splits were per horse or service rendered.
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We split hotel cost by riders. Coaching /rides/schooling are billed per horse.
Camper, food, groom expenses are all split by owner. Tack stall, shavings, set up are all split by horse.
hotel split by riders. Coaching/rides/schooling/tack rooms/any feed bought by horse
Mine have always been split by number of horses. I think that is fair. I’ve been on both ends of it, sometimes with multiple horses and sometimes with only one. My current trainer also puts his horses into the split, which I think is great.
Are you talking the hotel and food charges for the trainer and any grooms here? Or day care charges etc. for the horse? Trainer hotel and food is a consistent and known cost regardless of how many horses each owner brings
I agree that hotel and related expenses should be split per rider. The number of horses one person has there doesn’t affect the cost of the hotel. I can see many expenses split per horse as mentioned here (tack stall, etc), but not hotel/food/etc.
We split everything per horse. If 1 rider has 4 horses and another rider has 1 horse, rider 4 is getting 80% of the trainer’s time and attention, and therefore pays 80% of the hotel split.
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We split everything per horse. If 1 rider has 4 horses and another rider has 1 horse, rider 4 is getting 80% of the trainer’s time and attention, and therefore pays 80% of the hotel split.[/QUOTE]
80% of the trainer’s time at the show. Not 80% of the trainer’s time while the trainer is sleeping in the hotel room.
I have mine done per OWNER. Each OWNER pays the same % of tack/grooming stalls, hotel, meals. # of horses doesn’t affect these charges, and each owner pays for the appropriate # of stalls for their horses.
As far as training/coaching, that is also nilled(by me) to each OWNER. If one owner has three horses, they are billed for Junior’s time with three horses. But those type charges aren’t done by %.
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I have mine done per OWNER. Each OWNER pays the same % of tack/grooming stalls, hotel, meals. # of horses doesn’t affect these charges, and each owner pays for the appropriate # of stalls for their horses.
As far as training/coaching, that is also nilled(by me) to each OWNER. If one owner has three horses, they are billed for Junior’s time with three horses. But those type charges aren’t done by %.[/QUOTE]
So if one owner has 5 horses and 1 owner has only one, the pay the same amount for the tack nd grooming stalls???
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Yes. Why not? I am not going to nickel and dime like that. It works perfectly.
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hotel split by riders. Coaching/rides/schooling/tack rooms/any feed bought by horse[/QUOTE]
This seems right to me.
Also, OP, I think you should be able to have a grown-up and profitable discussion with your trainer about this. That’s because you have the wherewithal to have the dough to support 3 show horses, so I’m presuming you aren’t incompetent.
And may I remind you that you are supplying 50% of the horses going to the show? No trainer wants to piss off the person single-handedly supplying half of their paycheck that week.
Be nice. Be clear. Ask trainer how she decided her billing policy rather than telling her what you think or what COTH voted for. But insist that the people with whom you do business be fair.
