Mine, above, is registered both AQHA and FQHA. I took the % foundation off his papers. All breed pedigree is as accurate as whoever entered the info, that said, it’s matched the papers of all the horses I’ve checked in the past.
Allbreed has matched all the horses I have ever checked against AQHA, if that’s any standard. I personally know many people who spend hundreds of hours a month checking and double checking what is posted on allbreed, and making corrections, contacting the people who make the postings to verify what they posted and making more corrections so that the datatbase is as acurate as possible.
My best friend, growing up had a horse, Hancock Venture. He was race bred on the top, and ranch bred on the bottom. He was really, physically, quintessential cow horse in personality, smarts and ability. He did race, and I acknowlege his Three Bars blood, but the foundation blood in his pedigree is undeniable, fi by foundation blood you mean ranch bred.
My gelding is roughly 88% foundation. All but one of the post 1939 Thoroughbred crossings came via Three Bars.
These days can one even find a Quarter Horse without Three Bars in the lineage somewhere?
Yes & No. It is about verifible bloodline.
Both registries I believe still enforce the “white rule”. Both have restrictions on Impressive in bloodlines.
from FQHA:
Further Registration Information: Descendants of the AQHA stallion Impressive are not eligible for FQHA registration, neither are horses which have any of the following genetic disorders - cryptorchidism, parrot mouth, or that are known to carry the gene for HYPP, or Lethal White Overo
Snow is 98% foundation but can’t be reg with them because he is a cremello. His full sister is a palomino is reg 98%. Our cutting mare is over the moon foundation great little horse.
This is my fellow, I have no clue if he is foundation bred, the only TB I know in his lineage is Joe Reed, while I am no expert on QHs, I do know something about TBs. If you click on the photos in the pedigree he looks just like his sire. Too bad they did not treat him better, I am just now starting him at 7 years old.
I have been told this color is a grulla buckskin? Is that correct? He dapples on his barrel with a spider web type of design. Very fancy.
The color is either grulla OR buckskin, not grulla buckskin. Sire looks buckskin to me. Grulla is more mouse colored, with dark points. The one I had also had a dorsal stripe and stripes on his legs, but I don’t know if that’s characteristic of grullas or not, may be dun factor? I do know I used to get a lot of weird looks and comments about his color!
My mare is a grulla:
https://picasaweb.google.com/100310658467918237790/BlackhawkCampingAndRiding#5487669645314276370
and yes, it’s basically in the dun spectrum, with dorsal stripe and ‘tiger stripes’ on the legs.
Well he is decidedly dappled, not sure if that is indicative of a recessive gene or not.
According to an article that was included with his papers, written by Paula Zdenek in Horse and Rider of 2003 called
Trend Report “Horse of a Different Color” and I quote from a boxed area on page 60 titled:
‘Primitive Indeed’
"Dun-factor horse (those with so-called primitive markings, such as dorsal stripes and leg barring) have been around at least since the Ice Age. Prehistoric cave paintings show equines bearing these distinctive markings. Perhaps because of the ancient roots of a dun-factor coloration horses with such coloring have typically been associated with toughness and hardiness, and were believed by horsemen of the Old West to be capable of traveling great distances on little forage.
“These colors are ancient,” affirms Dr. Phil Sponenberg DVM, PhD, a leading expert in equine genetics at the Virginia-Maryland Regional College of Veterinary Medicine. He adds that there’s been no scientific study of the hardiness of modern-day dun factor horses. “Still,” he notes, “the horses first bearing these colors came from pretty hard environments.”
Today’s dun-factor colors are zebra dun (often simply “dun”) red dun, and grulla. Zebra duns look much like buckskin but with primitive markings.
My horse does not have zebra markings, he does have a darker neck and barrel and hip area, just like his sire, and in addition he has those spider web dapples in the early spring, lightens in the summer. His head becomes darker in the winter also. He does not have a dorsal stripe so he is clearly some kind of buckskin but he does not have a consistent coloring throughout his coat. All I know is that he is fancy looking which was good for him, and he is hardy because he was caught under a wall overnight, pinned at his hips, then the people did not call the vet for 2 days by which point he was toxic with infection. That he lived to be a good looking well put together horse, with a puckered scar on one flank and a muscle deficit under the opposite hip bone the size of your fist testifies to his hardiness since I did get his vet reports and talked to the vet, in her notes she gave him a poor prognosis for survival. He moves pretty well for all of that.
Anyone have a clue about being a foundation bred horse or not?
What is a foundation?
http://nfqha.com/index_files/page3.htm
and…
NFQHA show standards.
NFQHA’s show rules have been written with the goal of showcasing the working ability, and versatility, of the National Foundation Quarter Horse, and to provide a friendly, down to earth show atmosphere for National Foundation Quarter Horse owners. The emphasis is at all times on versatility, and no English events are sanctioned. The horses are to be shown in working condition, with natural manes and tails, and in servicable tack. Silver, glitter, and sequins are not allowed, and only the horse is judged, not the handler or rider. Because NFQHA promotes the using horse, blemishes and scars resulting from injury are not penalized.
Well,the dappling is independent of where a horse is on the color spectrum.
But dun v. buckskin is pretty simple: Presence or absence of the well defined dorsal stripe.
My appendix qh gelding is incorrectly registered as a ‘red dun.’ Really, he’s a basic dun- yes, more of a reddish hue to his coat but black mane and tail and points.
But both he and the mare dapple up nicely in summer. And so did a dark bay tb I owned. And a liver chestnut mare. But not a buckskin, several other chestnuts, and a sabino.
Oops, sorry, I digress, maybe time for a color thread…
I don’t have a FQH, but I’d like one in the future.
Doc Wilson
I have a 1/2 foundation mare 
lol. Own grand-daughter of Doc Wilson. Shame she is an appendix…
It about percentages. In order for your horse to be 50% foundation, since it is an appendix, the quarter horse parent would have to be 100% foundation. No TB in the QH’s lineage. There are very few of those living.
All of ours are FQH bred- not registered - yet. Funy thing is the one with the lowest percentage(88% or so) is the thickkest most bulldog looking one! He’s Dun, to boot! LOL.
We have foundation quarter horses. I say “we” but they’re really the family horses. It was my mother’s dream to breed, raise, and sell them. It didn’t work out as a business, but it did give me the perfect horse.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rey+jasons+showdown
My heart horse is a 17yr old little foundation bred quarter horse stud. Grandson of Rey Jay (and probably one of the last around). His dam is a great-granddaughter of Wimpy. Best personality of any horse I’ve ever met (he gives the kids pony rides). We “grew up” together. When I lived at home, there was one sure place to find me before dinner and that was outside laying on his back staring at the stars, counting the satellites.
And not all of the foundation guys were built like bulldogs, but FQH’s are the best.
Does “Impressive” count? I fully admit that I’m woefully ignorant about this sort of stuff, but I do own a son of “Impressive” (HYPP N/N thank goodness). While I don’t have his papers in front of me at the moment, he’ll be 22 in a few months & is still a lovely old man. I bought him from a sleazy meat auction - complete with his AQHA registry papers - back in 1997.
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Does “Impressive” count? I fully admit that I’m woefully ignorant about this sort of stuff, but I do own a son of “Impressive” (HYPP N/N thank goodness). While I don’t have his papers in front of me at the moment, he’ll be 22 in a few months & is still a lovely old man. I bought him from a sleazy meat auction - complete with his AQHA registry papers - back in 1997.[/QUOTE]
Impressive bred horses wouldn’t be considered foundation unless they had other foundation lines. There are a lot of people that do not like Impressive bred horses, but I personally have had great luck with HYPP N/N Impressive bred horses My heart horse goes back to him through his sire RH Mr Imprint.
Updated 6/12/2012
Further Registration Information:
Descendants of the AQHA stallion Impressive are not eligible for FQHA registration, neither are horses which have any of the following genetic disorders - cryptorchidism, parrot mouth, or that are known to carry the gene for HYPP, or Lethal White Overo
Horses with Impressive in their pedigree must submit lab results,
with their application showing that they are HYPP N/N. (AQHA
papers showing the horse to be N/N are acceptable.)
NOTE: Not disclosing descent from Impressive will result in cancellation
of the NFQHA certificate and possible suspension of the
owner. Beginning 01/01/05 all horses descended from Impressive
must have HYPP N/N printed on their AQHA registration
papers.
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Let me find my flame suit, here…
OK.
I think the whole “Foundation Quarter Horse” thing is a bunch of crap.
One qualification I have is that almost pure-TB horses have been registered through the Appendix program, qualifying horses into the main studbook with performance requirements met for ‘Hunter Under Saddle’ or ‘Hunter Over Fences’, which is absolutely NOT the physical type meant for a Quarter Horse, it is a Sporthorse body type. I think that was a poor move on the AQHA’s part.
Another qualification that I can go for is the exclusion of any horse with a genetic (inherited) anomaly, such as HYPP. PSSM or HERDA. But nowadays we do not have to throw absolutely every ‘tainted’ pedigree out, we can DNA test for the presence, or absence, of a particular deleterious gene, and thus keep the genetic problems out of a breed.
White hair? Oh, please. My horse can have a blaze, but your horse with a wide blaze and a blue eye can’t be registered. My red roan can be registered, but your sabino can’t, because white hair is so deleterious to the breed… And I won’t even go into the whole palomino/perlino thing, that is just too ridiculous.
But aside from that, the Thoroughbred has been used as a percentage part of the creation of a working stockhorse as long as there have been working stockhorses. A stockhorse (and also a Quarter Horse) is designed for short-distance racing, rodeo events (which are within themselves very short-distance racing events, some involving bovines) and cattle work. If it were not so, nobody would ever have considered an ‘Appendix’ registry in order to include the blood of registered Thorougbreds in the first place!
“Foundation” Quarter Horse sires such as Traveler, Little Joe, Peter McCue, Old Sorrel, Hickory Bill, Oklahoma Star, Joe Hancock, and Leo were all at least half TB themselves.
The King Ranch had a stockhorse breeding program predating the AQHA that used TB blood quite extensively: TB stallions Bold Venture, Chicaro, and Depth Charge are a few of the TBs that show up in old King Ranch breeding.
Now, the TB has also been very closely involved with the development of sporthorse type horses, too, designed for longer distance racing, foxhunting, and cavalry mounts (in past times) and olympic-sport mounts in more recent times. But this fact should not discourage the use of TB blood in the creation of a stockhorse…if the horse up for registry consideration is in fact a stockhorse type, who excels in stockhorse disciplines such as rodeo, cutting, etc.
But I think it’s folly to exclude TB blood from QH breeding, in the name of ‘keeping it pure’ when the foundation quarter horses were also high percentage TB themselves.
A couple of things to peruse:
http://horsesonly.com/pursuits/articles/breeding/tbroots.htm
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30952&sid=1856fce4384160cbd3c2d99892ac4d35
