How much would my Hanoverian cross be worth?

[vxf111]

This sounds like a horse with potential but a bit of a tough sell at the present moment. Your best bet might be to see if there is a sales barn with a GOOD REPUTATION that sells horses of his type (green local show horse material horses) and see if they will take him on consignment. If it is a GOOD place (and make sure it is) they will ride him and keep him in a program and even if he doesn’t sell, he will not come back in a worse position than he is in now. Honestly your own ability to market and sell him is probably fairly limited and he doesn’t sound like an easy-to-sell horse. I would not expect to get over $10K and only that if he is truly a great mover/jumper and if you happen to find someone looking for exactly what he is (green kind of tough horse).

On a gelding of this sort I don’t think papers matter tremendously. What does matter is his size (smaller than what a lot of people prefer [FBOFW], green for his age [at 8 most horses are jumping the height they’re going to ultimately show in with changes and have a nice show record], tough [many people are going to find that taking off at the canter business to be a dealbreaker and it sounds like his groundmanners could regress quickly too, also he has the history of rearing and bucking you have to disclose]). You have a kind of tough, kind of old-for-his-experience green horse of an average size. Unless he is a stellar talent under that greenness, this may be a harder horse to sell.

[findeight]

After 50 years of owning horses, I wouldn’t trust a word this seller has told you. She told you she had a DNA test done but she also told others, and advertised, him as an appendix QH so you trust claims on the DNA tests because? And you know he is 8 ( or just turned 9 as horses are classified) because the papers she gave you, as opposed to the Appendix papers she must have had earlier to advertise him as that? She was either lying then or lying now.

What “Reining” trainer had him for a year and a half…under the impression he was an Appendix,? What did that trainer train him to do? Where was he shown in Reining? How did he get out of 18 months in a Reining barn with no ground manners? Also, Reiners aren’t generally 16.1 with lengthy trots, they are usually built to sprint, spin on the hinds and dig deep into a sliding stop. That’s a different build then Jumpers and certainly low and long moving Hunters.

REALLY?

Otherwise, the value of an unregistered gelding with two different claims of breeding, who may be 8 or 9 (or not) with 18 months of "Reining’ training and no ground manners who might be 16.1 hands, or not based on the rest of this story unless he’s been sticked, is on the lower end of the ranges mentioned.

[Toblersmom]

DNA tests of the type you are talking about (presumably the TAMU panel) are notoriously unreliable when analyzing mixed horses and will even come up with erroneous results looking at known purebreds and crossbreds. Mustang people do them a fair bit for fun, but it’s pretty well understood by everybody it’s not much better than reading tea leaves. If all three on the list are Spanish-type or gaited, there is probably a bit of real Iberian blood back in there somewhere, but it’s unlikely to actually be a Venezuelan Criollo. Warmbloods of all types come up on the BLM Mustang analyses regularly. The chances that any of them actually have any Holsteiner or what have you in them is vanishingly small. The genetic tags come up because of commonalities between the genetic pool used to develop the warmblood breeds and the mish-mash of riding horses that escaped or were turned out into the wild. Unless you know the sire and dam of your horse (and a DNA parentage test (which is different than the TAMU breed marker panel) in the absence of a paper trail or permanent ID that PROVE that the sire and dam are correct), you have a smallish (in the current sport horse market), oldish, unproven (did he win anything in these shows he went to?), mongrel riding horse with a weird training background (reining??), and a potentially dangerous pushy personality that he’s just starting to work through since you say you got him recently. You say your trainer is interested in buying him and you are on a timeline; if I were you I’d take what your trainer is offering and call it good (unless you really, really don’t trust your trainer for some reason). He’s a lot more likely to someday wind up in a good long-term situation if he spends some more time in a solid training program.

[cclohorse]

He was originally trained for hunters but she all of a sudden wanted to change to reining. She shattered her hip in a car incident, not riding. I was never going to sell him a child, I have him advertised as a green project so no such buyers would consider buying him for a beginner. I’ll post photos, videos, and the papers she gave me
His manners also deteriorated because she didn’t stick to the training method the professional had used on the horse. Not to mention, he was left in a stall/pasture rarely touched for a while.

[findeight]

Most Warmbloods arent " breeds" anyway, but studbooks that admit horses based on inspections and proven parentage, including TBs. Trak book has been closed but wasn’t always and some horses are listed in multiple studbooks. Muddies the DNA waters, particularly without verified parent DNA.

Appendix QH are verified part TB. So there is some commonality going back through generations. That still doesn’t explain apparently claiming this horse was an Appendix to some buyers and a WB to others.

[cclohorse]

Here’s a few photos on what he looks like. Yes, I know I put the stud chain on wrong, I fixed that. I’ll get some videos of him soon

[findeight]

Bad pics but gives the impression of a TB or Appendix or even reg QH from what’s visible, especially in the face and his carriage in the undersaddle pics. And, sorry, that “trainer” is either well over 6’ tall or that horse is not 16.1.

Would this guy be helpful getting him sold on the Western side? He doesn’t seem suited to anything but very low level Hunters, don’t think he can physically rock back and curl over a fence. But he’s attractive under the Western tack and conformationally better suited there.

The WB types mentioned all generally have a much more uphill build, higher neck tie in with the chest which allows higher knee action. Realize the guy here has the horse going dumped on the front end, among other things, just not seeing typical WB build for Jumping here.

But, as said earlier, it’s not a bad looking horse at all, much better then expected…just not a H/J type WB. Does the seller have the Appendix papers she thought were his ?

[cclohorse]

I’ll get more up soon

[cclohorse]

He has no lip tattoo and doesn’t have the build of a TB, and yes the trainer was well over 6 feet tall. If anything he does look more appendix.

[findeight]

Grew up out there and there’s always been more Appendix type stock horses out there than in many other regions. Other possibilities might be a Solid APHA (Paint) or Appy, both predominantly QH and TB ancestry. That seal brown color is also very, very typical in those breeds with the TB influence, not so much in the European WBs…

[Toblersmom]

I’m not seeing or hearing anything that would make me expect him to go for more than MAYBE 3K in the sport horse market around here, I don’t know how hot your market is. Even at that price it will probably take a bit of time to find a buyer. He doesn’t seem to be a great prospect for being very competitive at higher levels in any of the disciplines, which puts him in the market of lower end children’s, adult ammies with low aspirations, and flippers selling to those markets. Given his current and recently filled training holes, he’s really not going to be attractive to the first two as-is (ANY kind of runaway/bolt behavior is very off putting for most of those buyers) and the third isn’t going to want to pay much. He’s cute but not OMG gorgeous, IMO.

[reefy]

My TB has no lip tattoo because he never went to a track - he was sporthorse bred TB.

[Scribbler]

Yes, in our market I would say $3000 tops to a trainer and honestly I would drop that alot to get the horse off my payroll into a good project home. He is not worth more to a trainer than a nice OTTB with a good mind, and they are often free to those with good track connections.

With real warmblood registration papers, a green but older backyard bred middle average wb will sell around $5000 because people get starry eyed at the WB designation.

Your horse is in all likelihood ineligible for any kind of registration.

But $5 to $7000 will also get a well schooled tb or QH under age 12 that will take your teenaget up through the two foot nine. So I would never recommend a kid buying the horse you describe.

Sell him to your trainer for $2000 and get on with your life, go cheer when he does his first cross rails class!

Just getting him off your payroll sooner rather than later is going to save you $500 to $1000 a month in board and training.

If trainer gets him fixed and sells him for $5000 she has earned it!

[Rackonteur]

Market him as a German Warmblood (which is what he is in one sense) and maybe you can get something for him from someone in dressage.

A horse, like any other saleable possession, is worth exactly as much as a buyer is willing to pay for it at the time.

[AppaloosaDressage]

anyone else’s heart hurt a little at the reining pics? I’d put excellent knowledgeable home ahead of price tag

[Melissa.Van_Doren]

How much is your trainer offering to pay for him?

[Toblersmom]

@Rackonteur

Market him as a German Warmblood (which is what he is in one sense) and maybe you can get something for him from someone in dressage.

A horse, like any other saleable possession, is worth exactly as much as a buyer is willing to pay for it at the time.

No, no he’s not a German Warmblood in any way, shape or form, based on anything that has been stated thus far, and anybody with any sense that answers an ad referring to him as one, and then gets the full story, is going to run screaming in the other direction because they will not trust another word that’s told to them.

[ParadoxFarm]

Even in his stall he looks smaller than 16.1. I agree that you might be best off selling to your trainer. Good luck.

[rockonxox]

@Rackonteur

Market him as a German Warmblood (which is what he is in one sense)

Huh? How does one figure that a DNA test (which are quite unreliable) and no papers or lineage to back things up translates to a German WB? Please don’t advertise as this… it would be false advertising.

[Posting_Trot]

Frankly, I think that if your trainer is willing to buy the horse, even as resale project, that might be the best possible way to go. The horse will get the training he needs to be a good citizen and maybe even a better prospect for a show horse. The trainer will put training into the horse, and also has the networks and contacts to find a good match.

This all assumes that the trainer is legit and ethical.