How the draw works....

For those who are interested, I think the draw works like this:

The first drawn team will send out Rider 1, then second team Rider 1, third team, Rider 1, etc. As soon as the team’s have all sent out Rider 1, then they begin the team order again with Rider 2, then Rider 3, etc.
They slot in the Individual Riders around the team order as they have drawn; in that way, both team riders and individual riders go in order of the “draw”.

Where the strategy comes in is who the coach decides is rider 1 – the pathfinder; this would be a horse and rider very likely to get from fence 1 to the last fence, so while it might not be our best dressage placed person, it’s going to be a horse that has NO stop or issues.
Karen maybe on Mr. Medicott.
She will report back what she felt and saw – then the two riders in the middle of the order would be the ones with the greenest horses, perhaps Otis and Ringwood Magister, whose riders would benefit most from the information of the previous rounds. You hope that the weather holds for your top dressage horse so that the footing is not an excuse in front of all the skinny fences or if they go late, if the footing isn’t hardened, causing stinging feet and then have the jog the next day be in question…there are other factors, too, individual things that only the riders and coach will know.
Then last, the coach will put our anchor man, the one we can count on the most to get around, such as Phillip. The last man has a lot of pressure, because they will know what has gone wrong, and what has to be done to get around – how impossible the task is. That person would be one to handle pressure no matter what.
So that’s my take on the order, and how team riding works at events like this.

Don’t forget there are 5 riders on most teams.

and team that has only 3 riders will sit out the first rotation. Anyone showing as an individual will have there order drawn for their spot in the first rotation, ie 25th, the teams will then be adjusted around those spots.

For the second round, all individuals come back first in reverse order of score, this includes teams that do not make the second round. Then the teams come back in reverse order of score with the riders in the same order as the first rotation.

That is for showjumping.

Dressage and cross country are different, as they don’t jump two rounds for the team and them do a final individual :slight_smile: but I believe the same concept applies to each round for them as well.

Thailand (Nina Ligon) drew last go. She’s an individual. What I’m still trying to figure out is if all the individuals go in the first round of team competition or if they are slotted in among the second, third, fourth and fifth Team rounds.

Will Nina be the very last rider on course?

Ronald Zabela (Ecuador) drew first. Then comes the USA. Will the first USA rider be the very first on course, or will Master Rose have to be the groundbreaker for everything? First in dressage, first in XC?

Isn’t it odd how the Americas (or the USA and USA based riders) drew such bad spots?

At least in showjumping the individuals go in the specific spot drawn and the team rotations is adjusted around those individuals.

since you said that Ronald draw first, then USA. I would assume Ronald will be the first rider in the ring (if he is an individual) and them the first US rider will be next (unless another individual drew 2nd).

When I have been involved in this type of draw, we drew the team positions, then the individual positions and then the chef gave their order for each team.

Say there are 50 riders total with 10 teams (39 team riders).

All the 50 riders will have a slot of 1 -50. The individuals draw a number from 1 -50 to determine their place. Then the teams fit around them with any team that has 3 riders “skipping” the first team rotation of riders.

Clear as mud :slight_smile:

There are five riders per team. The draw was by country, not by countries fielding teams, then individuals. Ecuador drew first, and Thailand drew last.

I am anxiously awaiting the start times to be posted.

likewise!

am anxiously awaiting the start times to be posted.
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I believe at prior games, the individuals have been slotted among the middle rotations of team riders. It just doesn’t make sense to have individual qualifiers who are typically from nations with less experience and tradition with eventing go first on cross country as its not really fair to them to have to go without some idea of how the course is riding. It also doesnt give the officials any idea of now the course is riding because there’s no way of knowing if any trouble on course is course related or rider related. That said, I have no idea how it will be done for this Olympics. I guess we’ll know tomorrow.

If I had to slot the US riders, I’d put Will Coleman first because he’s most likely to go clear within the time and he won’t be in contention for an individual medal so having him go early on day one and thus get a underscored in dressage will not hurt him as much. I want Phillip last because he’s our best shot for an individual medal and i want him to have the best shot at a good dressage score and I want to know what the stakes are team wise when he heads out on xc and I also trust him the most to grab a needed third completion if he’s the last shot.

Boyd to me is the most difficult to slot because on the one hand, with a good dressage, he could finish really high, but I don’t think he will be in medal contention so maybe you want him earlier to get the second completion to take some of the pressure off tiana and Karen, both of whom could do a better dressage test than boyd and will Coleman, and thus give is a better shot at a team medal if they can get around the xc without a 20 or an E. On the other hand, if you really think you may have to use Will Coleman’s score, then you want Boyd’s dressage to be as low as possible, which means you want him on day two.
So maybe will, tiana, Karen, boyd, pd.

NC, the draw determines order of go, not experience. The countries drew for order, so that is how it is, it doesn’t have anything to do with experience.

You would definitely want an experienced team member to go first on XC, not an inexperienced one. You want your inexperience in the middle. You need someone to finish so you know how its riding. will and Tiana are your least experienced and unlikely to finish without a 20, so they must be in the middle. I think they put Tiana on the team specifically because of an expected low dressage score, so she’s the one they will protect if it comes down to that. They want her to go clean so they are not going to run her in pathfinder position and potentially be faced with something without information as to how to ride it.

No start times until after the jog.
If memory serves, most Olympics it takes a while…might be mid afternoon GBR time before it is posted, which is the middle of the night our time?

Per the FEI document for the Olympics, they draw countries… but countries without teams are slotted in.
Group A - 1st rider from countries with TEAMS
Group B - 25% of individuals
Group C - 2nd rider of team
Group D - 25% of individuals
Group E - 3rd rider of team
Group F - 25% of individuals
Group G - 4th rider of team
Group H - last 25% of individuals
Group I - 5th rider of team

I believe teams with less than 5 riders can state which ‘spot’ they are sitting out.

So Ronald will go right after the first group of team riders, and Nina will be the last individual to go prior to the 5th team rider.

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No start times until after the jog.
If memory serves, most Olympics it takes a while…might be mid afternoon GBR time before it is posted, which is the middle of the night our time?[/QUOTE]

They are ahead of us… so mid-afternoon will be morning our time.

retread - reread, or read NC’s post. Your comment to her has nothing to do with what she said.

If the USA is going to be the first rider on course and in dressage, what a hard choice it will be. You know that the early dressage riders pretty much get shafted (so there is room on top in case of better performances), but we need a very experienced rider for pathfinder. So I’m betting on KOC as first go, but have no real basis for thinking that. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at Will C or Boyd. None of them are likely to score anywhere near 80% in dressage regardless of position, and it’s essential that the pathfinder be a very good XC rider, especially if it’s the first rider on course.

Does anyone have stats on where the first rider usually ends up at non Olympic competitions? Or for that matter at WEG or the Olympics in a team situation?

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Does anyone have stats on where the first rider usually ends up at non Olympic competitions? Or for that matter at WEG or the Olympics in a team situation?[/QUOTE]

Don’t have full stats - but a REALLY good test is a really good test… Arthur was 3rd after dressage at Rolex in 2011 despite being the first horse in the ring.

However, a more mediocre test (or average good) will score worse early on.

I think you’ll see Boyd first out… in my completely uneducated opinion.

Running order for GB has been posted on Twitter;

Running order for GB Eventing riders; 1 Nicola Wilson, 2 Mary King, 3 Zara Phillips, Tina Cook, William Fox-Pitt

Also;

@NinaLigon: Nina Ligon and #buttsleon will ride dressage on Jul. 29th, and be the 8th to go. #bobff #eventinglive

Dressage Ride Times for Team USA (all times GMT): Saturday - Boyd Martin 10am, Karen O’Connor 12:08pm, Tiana Coudray 3:18pm. Sunday - Will Coleman 11:20am & Phillip Dutton 2:38pm.

Reposted from PRO event riders

Wow, surprised to see Boyd in the first slot with Otis - would have expected it to be Will!

Mark Todd is going to be bringing us all home as the last rider :slight_smile: