How to NOT pick a lame horse because I certainly don't have that skill - pictures added

I’m really glad this popped up because I think I found a horse today. Let me address a few of the recent posts. My horse retired due to an injury was grade, looked QH crossed with a few other something breeds tossed in. His build wasn’t ideal and he always struggled with on and off weird issues. I also have 2 mutt dogs that have major physical issues, IVDD and a young dog with horrible hip dysplasia. I don’t really buy into the mutt hybrid vigor at this point.

I would LOVE to just hack and walk my 4 year old but he is not having it. If I could just walk and hack him some honestly I’d just keep him and wait a few years and not feel like I need a second horse. Bareback, 2k perfectly fit saddle, old saddle, bareback saddle pad and he plants his feet when you get on, when you ask him to move off he starts to buck in place. This is not normal behavior for him, he’s broke I rode him for months he’s really easy going but started this on and off behavior a few months ago which is why the vet was brought in. I did have a trainer work with him and she pushed him through it but he still consistently tried stopping and bucking and was not happy nor comfortable. I had another vet visit just for vaccines but she watched video of him going. Confirmed he’s not “lame” per say but is unwilling to move forward (he knows the commands just physically isn’t comfortable) and is very uneven on his sides, the right being significantly worse. We’ve literally checked all of the main and known boxes for treatment and I’m just not willing to throw more money into more xrays/possible injections to try and ride him at a walk. I spent a few months handwalking him while he was treated for EPM and he willingly follows me but has his ears back a majority of the time and I have pics and video of him previously happily walking along ears forward under saddle and hand walking and doing groundwork. I’m not making this decision lightly if he was telling me he was ok with hacking out I would but that’s not what he’s telling me. I’m not willing to throw him back into a training program (aka harder work) to try and push him past this mis behavior. It’s very frustrating I had a friend out and she said the same thing he doesn’t look “lame” just push him through it and ride at a walk it can’t be that hard. Except I can’t unless I want to eat dirt and it’s starting to rock my confidence continuing to get on a horse who I love to death and used to trust to carry me anywhere who is flat out telling me get off my back now. There may have been some tears in this conversation because all I want to do is get on and walk him around flat beautifully mowed grassy trails.

So onto horse shopping which is just a nightmare, videos of lame horses, videos of like 2 steps of trot out in a field how can I tell anything from that. Video of something super green supposedly being re-trained but all of the transitions are cut out of the video. Showed up to ride a super broke been there done that lower level hunter horse who had what looked like a broken tail that stuck straight to the side who was lame and bucked 30 seconds into a trot because the owners kept swearing he was sound and in work and I hate confrontation and didn’t feel I could walk out without trying the horse they were so excited to show me. I also have a cousin who is a horse vet who I send video’s too and she’ll nix them if she sees any lameness or un-eveness.

So today I tried and LOVED a 7 yr old OTTB. He’s a warhorse with 39 starts, made 111k and raced without any major break until he was 5. Retired sound when he slowly started not placing well in races. His current owner has been trail riding him for 2 years with zero soundness issues and no maintenance. She used to foxhunt and her daughter trains horses and events so they’re experienced. He’s green in the ring and still needs to be fully re-trained at the trot and canter but is really willing. She trotted and cantered on trails but not in the ring/smaller circle environment. He’s quick and does get amped up once you canter but as soon as you come down to a walk you can go straight on the buckle. I was able to try him in the ring then go out on a beautiful trail ride on the buckle up and down some steeper sections, across a big open field, through a creek etc. The awesome part was he felt so even and sound, there isn’t a major difference for each direction or when you’re changing direction. He balanced really well on the slopes and wasn’t rushing or uncomfortable. So I put a deposit down and Monday morning will be calling to schedule a vet appt. Fingers crossed!

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Crossing fingers and toes for you! I think you’re making the right decision on the 4 year old. If he’s been happy go lucky up until now and suddenly wants nothing to do with being ridden, there is most likely something wrong.

As for the war horse, he sounds great! Be ready for possible track jewelry in the vetting. It’s very rare for a war horse not to have ANY, but as long as he is and has been sound, I wouldn’t let slight changes in joints be a complete deal breaker either.

Thank you! He has some puffyness/thickness in one front leg but it’s cold and set. I do also expect a level of wear and tear on x-ray I just want to make sure it’s not horrible and have my x-ray starting point. I’m fine with regular maintenance as long as that actually keeps them sound and happy. He felt fantastic and has been in regular work for 2 years with zero issues. The seller really cares about him and even said if anything happened they would always take him back. That makes me feel a bit better than someone who is bringing in and selling horses on a regular basis for profit.

Vetting is always such a cr@pshoot. You can have clean x-rays and a bad flexion, or great flexion and bad images. My vet once advised me that at some point, pretty much every horse will have an issue and will need some kind of maintenance - God’s cruelest joke was putting 1200lb on such tiny feet! So when he vets a horse, it’s his job to check the flexions and radiographs to see if anything would preclude the horse from the proposed job, and to also examine the conformation of the horse (or any existing images) to help determine what the future might hold. My guy specializes in lameness and I won’t buy anything without him looking at it. He knows what he can maintain long term and what he can’t, so there have been few surprises for those of us who have used him. So, my question for you is “what does the vet say?” Aside from the radiographs, what does the vet think about the thickness of the leg? What is the seller’s definition of “regular work” and is it the same as yours (there is a big difference between 3-4 days a week and 6-7).

My last horse had clean radiographs and massive issues. My new horse had a chip in his radiographs and I sent the films to a specialist who said it seemed like a non issue and reminded me what a pity it is that so many horses are rejected over a simple chip (such as this one). It sounds like you are reasonable about the radiographs given the horse’s history which is refreshing!! I’m so tired of people expecting everything to have “clean x-rays.”

It’s nice the horse has a safety net - that always makes one feel better about making an investment! I wish all sellers were so kind!

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do!

My first TB had bowed tendons, a puffy knee and was pinfired and none of that ever bothered him. He ended up having issues with the hock arthritis that’s why I want a starting point set of x-rays. The 4 year old shows some arthritis on x-rays that should have been easy to treat but he showed zero improvement with regular hock injections, he got worse in a month to the point of possible euthanasia. He still appears sound enough on those joints but isn’t having it so at this point I’m not making a decision on x-rays because I think the horse in front of you is more important. I’d rather know should we start adequan, oral joint supplements now or later. My grade horse was kind of horribly put together so I’d like the vet’s opinion on conformation for sure, I saw a pretty black horse with a white blaze and went ooooo. Knowing what I know now I look at pictures and think why did I not step back and take a better look. Flexions will be what I’m most interested in to see if anything pops up that we don’t expect.

I typically ride 3-4 days a week maybe 5 and half of that would be fairly flat grassy trails. He’s been ridden about the same level of work, obviously less ring work but has done t/c on the trail regularly and their trails have more hills. Just going off of how even he felt I’m feeling pretty good about it. I’m so hypersensitive I get on a horse in 6 days a week work w/t/c including dressage and they feel lame to me. They aren’t not rideable but I can feel a stiffness in the beginning of the ride, feel as they loosen up and feel a pretty big difference between each direction, especially when changing direction on the diagonal. I almost joke that I should be the lameness locator just plop me on and I’ll tell you exactly where the horse doesn’t feel quite right.

I’m a sucker for black with a little chrome too. The first movie I remember in a theater was The Black Stallion, and of course my favorite book I can remember reading on my own was Black Beauty. Somehow I see shiny black horses and want them all.

Boy can I relate to this post so much. I
was just telling my friend also a horse girl that we did not ever hardly worry about lameness while growing up with our first horse. We vaccinated and wormed nothing to elaborate, and just rode. Now its ulcers and lameness, improper fitting tack and magnetic therapy lol I would not trade my horses for anything. I currently have a few that our pasture pets with high maintenance health needs lol

Go easy with him if he is not used to arena work. It is totally different to the muscles used for trail riding.

Well that stinks on the four year old. Sounds like a possible back issue.

But good luck with the vetting on the new guy!

See the first post lol I am well versed on rehabbing horses having spent the last 15 years on and off doing just that. The barn has a perfect ten minute hack walk to the ring, a short and long trail loop after. I’ll be able to trail ride 99% of the time and slowly introduce the ring work. My trails are also a lot flatter so that should be easier for him. My apple watch has the trail tracker app and the timer on the main screen so I can time any trot/canter work. I do think because he’s TB and naturally wants to go go go it would easy to overdo it.

Honestly that’s kind of what my gut is telling me. He’s super sensitive to saddle fit and even the material of saddle pads. I decided not to x-ray right now because it won’t change my treatment of him. He’s effectively “sound” and happy turned out to pasture. In a year or two if I’m attempting to go back to riding him I think I’d do back and neck x-rays before getting on. I’ve asked my vet and because he doesn’t palpate sore in the back she doesn’t think that’s it but I’ve seen people here say theirs weren’t back sore but had weird other lamenesses.

This is just a stranger on the internet, but to me this sounds like you’re already excusing red flags because you like the horse.

2 years off the track with two professionals in the family, one who events, and they’ve not set foot in the arena? Gets “amped up” if you canter, but you want a safe broke trail horse? Has jewelry including a “puffy leg?”

Everyone I know who is heartbroken or bank broken over a horse has an ottb.

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I definitely appreciate the opinion. His owner isn’t a professional she foxhunted in the past, trail rides now and has no desire to ride in a ring. He’s been kept at her property where there is no ring. He’s very safe on the trail, responds to leg well and has been trotted and cantered on trails. When you trot and canter him even if he’s quick you bring him down to a walk and can immediately go back to riding on the buckle, he doesn’t power walk. My desire to trail ride is 99% at the walk, that’s the speed myself and my friends go out at. It’s about the enjoying the scenery.

The ironic thing is that right now my barn is completely full of sound TBs that are getting ridden regularly. My budget is putting me in the TB bracket and everything that’s within 6 months of coming off the track just looks so body sore to me I don’t trust knowing if they’re actually sound or not. I’m not interested in having to let down a horse.

I’m just chiming in to enable you. I have had similar luck, with three lame horses in a row over the past 12 years. Two of them are still happily eating my cash daily… So I did what any other sane person would do, took an OTTB with a new-ish bow and did no additional vetting. :joy:

Good luck with the war horse! They are great. If they can race for so long they tend to be really sturdy, and have seen so many things.

Ok the vetting was today. The findings were mild reactions to the hock flexions and mild arthritis on the x-rays. There were two kinda hooks that were a bit concerning on x-ray. He was 100% in everything else- hoof testers, leg and body palpations, neuro exam, lunging and under saddle. So the end conclusion by the vet was he’s sound and rideable and should have no issues with lower level stuff. He may need some maintenance but there’s no rush to have to do anything major done right now. He was also a complete gentleman for the entire time on a loose lead rope, no fuss or reluctance to move forward or with flexions being done and the entire exam it was pouring rain on him. So I bit the bullet and took him home :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: There is a risk he has hock arthritis but out of all of the things in the entire body for how much he raced that’s really not the worse thing in the scheme of things and I just really love his personality. He was so calm and willing and really really cute when he moves.

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Congrats! Now, pictures!!! :hugs:

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Congrats! What a beautiful boy!

He’s gorgeous! I love a good redhead. Congrats again OP. I hope you both share many happy years together.