How to train a dog to be around horses safely?

Thread title pretty much says it all. Looking for ideas on best methods to get a dog to respect horses and be around them safely.

Background is that I’m in my tenth year of owning horses, with one old retired guy and a younger (still green) riding horse, both drafts. They board at a facility with good sized herd and two dogs.

But I’m in my third month of what I guess is dog ownership. She’s was a stray who adopted me. She has very little training and has become a very expensive dog from all the vet bills. She has some pretty awesome qualities, but for now still doesn’t do very well with basic commands like “no,” “come,” or “leave it,” whenever she’s excited. She has a tendency to be aggressive toward other dogs, strangers, and now horses.

We haven’t been to any training classes yet, but will most likely enroll in some soon. Just so I’ve not painted a completely disasterous picture, she now is pretty consistent with “sit,” “stay,” and “lie down.” In horse training terms, she’s extremely responsive and wants to please when she’s in her left brained mode, but when she’s in spook\aggression mode she doesn’t listen.

She got aggressive with horses last night and got swatted as a result. I’m hoping that was a good lesson, but would like some suggestions on what I might be able to do a little more safely than just letting her get bitten or kicked.

Thanks!

Check out my blog post (linked below) it goes over all of this.

You need to get the aggression (I imagined it’s fear, not real aggression) sorted out before bringing her around the horses though, IMO. Training classes a good place to start (I don’t suggest PetSmart, find an actual real trainer). These classes are more than just “sit, stay, down” but also an excellent socialization opportunity.

Once we moved to the farm, I kept my “city dog” leashed around the horses for almost 3 years before I was sure he would obey well enough to come when called, leave it, and not chase the horses. He was very excitable about the horses at first, but just seeing them every day and being required to behave eventually made the whole thing pretty boring.

My new pup, I suspect was raised around horses before she got dumped at the shelter. She was pretty uninterested in them from the beginning, and although she will sometimes try to steal grain out of the mare’s grain pan, she doesn’t bother with the horses and I do let her run loose around them. A few times she got excited/barked when a horse was rolling, but she’s pretty good.

I don’t think spanking will be effective in this circumstance.

Start training her at home. In your living room. Start with Sue Ailsbys training levels and once you get to level 3, start with level 1 at the barn, away from the horses. Be very generous with the treats. VERY. Make this incredibly worth her while to listen.

When you finally take her to the barn, make that all about her, don’t divide your attention between your horse and the dog. If you can’t do that, leave the dog at home.

Just like using a new computer program or learning to type or drive a car the more you practice, the better the responses.

http://sue-eh.ca/page24/page26/

I am not a dog trainer, but I taught my dogs two commands: “OUT” (cued w/ finger pointing in the direction I want them to go) and “COME”… they were not introduced to the horses until those commands were rock-solid.

Once they had that down to pat I brought them to the farm… but my farm was very laid back, just me and the BO… so I didn’t tie them up. Most dogs are afraid of horses, they are big and stompy - mine were no exception. Any time they went up I’d say ‘ah-ah, OUT’ and point to outside of the shed-row and they’d get the picture.

They now know ‘out’ means out of a general area – so out of the ring, out of the stall, out of the feed room, out of the bathroom, it doesn’t matter… and it is very useful if they are in the paddock and I am on a horse and want them out.

I guess I am lucky, I didn’t have to do too much, but I really stress the importance of hammering a recall and a command for teaching them to get away from you.

she sounds very smart and lucky to have you.

I am no expert but imo, and from reading the above posts they concur, too early to let her loose around horses. She or horses have a chance of getting hurt. She needs more training and more time to settle down. I would bring her to barn but keep her on leash, so she can sniff the horses and horse scents, get used to being around them but be contained.

After she gets better at obedience at home and in class, then get her obedient at barn while on leash so you know she will listen at barn setting reward with treats. It might be a year or so till she is ready to be off leash at barn

My prior dog was never good enough behaved to leave loose at barn so he came to barn and was always on a leash. But I did not invest in the level of training needed with him eitehr. I also recently got a dog from a rescue and plan to do more training this time… Good luck with her post a picture!ge

Thanks for the advice, folks! I’ll try to spend a little more time reading blogs, watching videos, and doing actual training exercises at home. I already knew we’re definitely not ready for her to be loose around horses yet, was just wondering what more I could do to enforce safe behaviors around them while leashed \ tied.

Preposterous Ponies - Thank you for saying it’s fear not aggression. One of my neighbors suggested she MAY have been on the loose since last spring. If so, that’s a pretty long time to earn a healthy mistrust of people and other dogs. This is all still new to me. In our very early days together, she was horrible with EVERY stranger. She would do OK if I picked her up to introduce a person, but if a stranger approached with her on the ground, she was awful. I didn’t want that to be a 100% of the time crutch, so I’ve been working with her every time delivery guys or friends come over. I’ve been asking her to turn her attention back to me, and sit, or lie, or other things to earn treats, rather than bark at the stranger, and using commands like “good visitor” (weird, but it was the best I could come up with) and “good quiet” when she shuts up. I’d say we’re having improved success with quite a ways to go. But with other dogs, I’d say it’s pure aggression. She sounds positively worflike horrible to them, and when she gets close enough, she dominates by jumping on the back and nipping ears.

Saultgirl & Countrywood - thanks for the three years and one year comments … I have to remember that we’re not in a race. I’ve only had her three months, and most of that has been working on getting her healthy! I have been taking her with me to the barn and leaving her tied where she could watch what was going on. I may still do that, because the mile RT trek is good exercise - she’s a high energy dog! But I don’t have to be in a hurry to turn her loose.

Beowulf - It’s funny how therapeutic it can be to even write out a silly question on a forum like this … I have a tendency to write a lot, and as I was entering my tenth paragraph, I pared it all back to as simple as I could. I realized as I wrote that if I don’t have “leave it” and “come” as rock-solid always-works commands, then she doesn’t belong around horses yet. So your first sentence is spot-on. I will add “out” to her vocabulary.

For “Come” I’ve been working on that with her on a 20 foot zip line as we walk to the barn. I load myself up with training treats and will mostly let her zip out wherever she wants to go, but randomly call her back with “come.” If she comes, she gets a treat. That’s been working pretty well, but when she gets set on something like a squirrel or other critter in the bush, she doesn’t listen. So I think these are good opportunities to keep it up and the day she does listen when excited she’s going to get the whole freakin’ treat bag. :slight_smile:

(And no one asked, but just for the record, I did everything I could to find an owner when I first found her … craigslist, facebook, helpinglostpets.com, registered with animal control in three counties, flyers at all the vet offices, flyer up on my own mailbox that everyone in the neighborhood has to drive by because I’m at the start of a few miles of roadways that all dead-end. This girl clearly had training about not going potty inside the house, but that was the only indication she’s been with people.)

Day One - ![]( lured her into my laundry room with a bowl of cat food. Locked her in and then had a terrible time even getting in the room without fear I’d get my fingers bitten off. The only way I could get in was with another bowl of food. Here, the food is on the washing machine so I could get this snapshot. Rapt attention!
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Day One - I didn’t have a way to weigh her on that day, but by day three she was only 11lbs. She gained about a pound a week, and has landed around 18lbs. So I think that first day she was more like 10lbs. I could feel every bone in the rib cage and bump of the spine.
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Day One - An Hourglass figure, but not in a good way. Not to be too gross, but her first two #2’s were pure green plant matter, more like horse poo. So she was living on whatever she could find.
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Three Weeks - Another crazy thing happened. I went to house-sit for someone, and a stray cat showed up!!! I have no idea who he was but he was super duper friendly. Again no tags, but too friendly to think he had nobody at all in the world, so I left him alone rather than take him to a shelter. But this way I was able to see how the dog would do with another cat, without risking my own three felines as potential chew toys. She was beyond awesome. As long as a cat is friendly to her, she’s friendly to them.
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Four Weeks - marked improvement already!
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Six Weeks - this was right before her spay …
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One last one … I think she’s a poodle & schnauzer mix, vet estimates 2-3 years old. Not puppy, but not old by any means. Poodle is obvious. Schnauzer by look of the face, somewhat wiry feel of the coat, and finally … I was in a pet store one day and couldn’t see a dog around the corner. It had a meltdown about something, and everything from the sound of the voice to the way the meltdown occurred from brief growl up to the rapid-fire throaty barks, I could’ve sworn it was my own girl. I turned the corner, and found a little schnauzer doing the tasmanian devil act at the end of a leash. :slight_smile:

doggie is super super cute!! maybe Bedlington terrier/ mix ? or poodle mix darling. You could see her expression traumatized in photo one.

You are doing great for only 3 months.

what about keeping her at barn in a crate some of the time instead of tied up?

Good point … I do have a crate for her, and a pickup truck, would be easy to take that along.

Just being honest, not trying to scare anyone, but I once heard about a dog tied, the horses got excited, escaped, and the dog couldn’t get away and was trampled. I just can’t get that thought out of my own mind. :frowning:

[QUOTE=Callista17;8174497]
Just being honest, not trying to scare anyone, but I once heard about a dog tied, the horses got excited, escaped, and the dog couldn’t get away and was trampled. I just can’t get that thought out of my own mind. :([/QUOTE]

This has happened on more than one occasion - to many people I know… never tie your dog in the barn - you’d be amazed how many people leash their dogs to a cross tie, or to their horse’s stall. In addition to being a hazard to you, if a horse bolts the dog could also clothesline them.

I’m a big fan of tying outside of the barn if you need to, though.

if you are not standing right next to the dog, imo keeping it in a crate rather than tied is safer and also keeps it from whirling around, barking, otherwise acting out. When not in crate walk her and run her on leash and let her enjoy.

not totally related, but . . .

Vet was out yesterday for spring shots

we had one horse cross-tied in the aisle and were moving around
4 other horses so we could just use one closed up stall for treatment. the rest of stalls were set for in/out

and out comes the skitter barn kitty
and she wanted contact and petting - yeah, the cat that usually says HI from the other end of the barn was under foot and rubbing on horse legs to get to people pets

good thing the horses love cats and stood completely still for her

the dogs are barky Jack Russells and the horses generally ignore them

Barn horses are PerchX and Morgans and a “grew up at barn” rescue - the least likely of the horses Id trust around the animals
he is more skitter himself but learned his manners from the PerchX horses - who are most polite

Thanks for the comments on tying … where I board we don’t have stalls or aisles. She gets tied up at a trailer that’s pretty far away from the horses. Not to say nothing can go wrong that way - anything can always go wrong - but if a horse is going wild enough to be in that particular spot, there’s going to be a heck of a lot more damage happening to me and fencing first, and the dog would pretty much be an afterthought at that point. :slight_smile:

What prompted this thread was my stupid act of trying to let the dog sniff noses under the fence with horses, and that was one lesson learned as a bad idea.

Last couple of nights she’s gone with me, but I’ve left her in the truck.