Hunter Stallion for Quarter Horse? Input needed please!

I am going to be brave and let you know it can most certainly work. However I will also tell you that you must be certain that it’s one you are breeding for yourself and with clear goals. I bred my appendix mare to Escapade and got precisely what I was breeding her for. I also acknowledge that I had amazing luck all along the way. My number one priority was temperament because it was going to be for us to raise and keep. After searching and visiting stallions, I could check that off the list for Escapade. Once that was met, I gave him a good hard look to see if he complimented her and decided it could work. I was hoping he would increase her length of leg and her step which he did. Sammy is 7 now and everything we could have hoped for. But especially amateur friendly. (Although he is way too smart for his own good but I do believe he got that from his mother).

So, is this a cross for everybody? Absolutely not. But it was the perfect cross for us.

I’llbe be happy to share pictures with anybody interested :slight_smile:

Cute little mare for sure! :slight_smile:

My Guaranteed Gold stallion has been bred to several AQHA mares of both English and stock horse types. His AQHA cross foals can be seen here - http://www.truecoloursfarm.com/guaranteed-gold---aqha-foals.html

And then some foals from APHA mares which are basically the same body types - http://www.truecoloursfarm.com/guaranteed-gold---apha-foals.html

With him being cremello, you would 100% get a palomino foal with your mare if that matters at all

Another recommendation that I think would cross really well with her is the all white TB stallion - Artic Blue. He is a black base coat colour (literally he is one gigantic “marking” head to toe, top to bottom) so with the abundance of white he possesses he should also throw a very “Chromey” foal :slight_smile:

http://stonehousemeadows.com/stallions.html

If Noble Houston is still around, he also threw some really beautiful foals out of AQHA mares

Good luck in your search! :slight_smile:

Cute mare. Sea Accounts is a great suggestion. He has lots of foals on the ground out of a wide variety of mares, he has proven himself in performance, and his owner is wonderful.

If you want to entertain frozen there are still some doses available from the Tamarack Hill sale that are an incredible deal (although your vet fees and costs will likely be much more than the semen). They have just released a couple of doses of stallions previously sold out: https://www.events.unh.edu/RegistrationForm.pm?event_id=16360. These stallions offer excellent TB bloodlines no longer available. I believe at least some of these stallions were listed with AQHA but I am sure that would not be hard to check.

Avalon Equine stands a really interesting young TB stallion by Pulpit who has a royal pedigree and has been performance tested. He was also a winner at the track. His first foals are arriving this year and the one that I saw in person is very impressive. Here is his link: http://www.avalon-equine.com/baatesh.html.

Fleetwoods Bolero is a proven TB hunter stallion that crosses very well with QH mares. Here is his page: http://www.huntfarmtexas.com/stallions.html.

Some of the other suggestions here are very good as well. Good luck with your mare!

The Last Captive is my favorite more “hunter” type AQHA producer. He sadly had to be gelded for health reasons. I know she had some frozen left.

But he consistently produces big good moving horses that also jump well.

A friend has one in her barn that shows both the AQHA circuit and the hunter circuit doing both hunters and jumpers.

https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/1546128_801242786568780_269709187_n.jpg

I don’t know if The Last Captive has any stallion sons but his sire Last Detail(who is a legendary producer in his own right) is still standing to a few outside mares and has several other nice stallion sons so you could also look through some of those lines.

Your mare has some GREAT old school QH breeding.

I remember some of those names from my days as a tack cleaning kid!
( back then, Q horses and Arabs were all around).

IMHO, TB would be the way to go. I’d not take a chance with a warmbloood.

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At the risk of getting flamed – I actually really like Quarter Horse and Warmblood crosses when done right. I have a ¾ QH x ¼ Morgan mare who always gives me lovely foals (an no one believes me when I tell her what breed she is) – here is a link to photos of her: Icy Poodles

There is also another lady locally who bred her KWPN stallion for years to many WB, TB, etc, but his most successful offspring were out of her Quarter Horse broodmare. The cross produced many local hunters and jumpers, in fact, out of all his offspring it was one from the QH mare that she kept as her own jumper mare (and she turns down offers all the time for the mare).

I have seen many (MANY!) train wrecks of this cross as well – but I usually find these were mostly out of QH mares who were not good candidates for sport horse breeding (halter and western pleasure types, or mares who just have terrible conformation). It is also important to look at the pedigree of the QH mare - I like to see lots of ranch, reining, and/or race breeding in the pedigree and steer clear of the other less athletic halter and pleasure bloodlines. When done right the cross can yield a horse with the heart, brains, and handiness of the QH and the increased athleticism of the WB – basically a nice all round sport horses for your average amateur rider.

All that being said – if you think you can cross a QH with a WB and sell it for a profit you would be terribly mistaken! The only way I would be an enabler for someone thinking about producing such a cross would be if they plan to keep the offspring for themselves, or raise the horse to the age where they campaign it under saddle before selling it – my experience is that hunter and jumper riders/trainers don’t care what the breeding of the horse is if it can win ribbons in the show ring (especially of they can pack a kid or novice around safely), but even then you will come no where near the selling price of a purebred WB. Or be prepared to take a BIG loss on the horse if you sell it as a youngster.

If you do decide to breed her I do like the suggestion of using a TB stallion (this would mean your offspring could be registered – making them more valuable). However if you go that route I would make sure that you use a very old style TB stallion (one with lots of bone, good gaits, and uphill movement). This is the reason I always go the WB route because I always want to improve on my mares shoulder, and uphill build.

My suggestion for crossing WB stallions with QH mares would be to pick a stallion that is more dual purpose. I always work with the assumption that you will need to improve on the QH mare’s movement – so I pick a stallion with both jump and dressage in their pedigree, or a pedigree with jump stallions who have proven they can also produce dressage horses (i.e. Viva Voltaire, Grannus, Contender, etc.).

I am no expert – this is just my 2 cents – take it for what it is worth. :wink:

I used Schwarzenegger this year and I could not be happier with my resulting colt: Superbad :)[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with this, but primarily in principle cuz breeding can be a crap shoot.

I have a well bred Appendix mare, so already I have thoroughbred…love, LOVE Appendix for athleticism, ethic, mind and temperament.

I have been looking for QH stallion that would be a good dressage mix…as that is what is what we do…dressage. Bottom line, I have not found anything in a QH stud that would improve on her movement or conformation. That is where it begins…what do you want to improve on your mare? In this regard, pedigrees are interesting but not really what you have before you…the mare herself.

My choice now is WB, and I have a one in particular in mind and that is Sir Wannabi. Although he is touted as a hunter stallion, he throws dressage babies that are nicer than him in movement. Plan B…if I get a hunter baby…I get a nice one. His hunter babies are cup babies at the Royal.

Should, I decide to breed, I will have my mare inspected as a sport horse or one of the registries. I believe that Oldenburg accepts mares of Thoroughbred blood…and that she has.

BTW, I do like Fred quite a bit if you are thinking breeding TB first. He would definitely be on my list.

I’m a fan of A Fine Romance as well. :yes:

Thanks for mentioning Sea Accounts.

He is crossing very well with a wide variety of mares, QHs included. I believe he has 7 or 8 QH (well 2 are actually APHA out a stock-type Paint) on the ground. Most are headed towards eventing with one currently showing in the hunters and jumpers with a teenager who has done all the work with him in her backyard and one is pointed towards dressage.

He will typically add height and length of leg and improve overall conformation while lengthening the mares stride. He was just bred to the paint mare for the 3rd time and she’s 14.3…first one, 15.3, second looks like she’s going to finish close to 16.1.

He is one to look at for sure, but Noble Houston I believe was bred to quite a few QHs early in his career and I believe they were successful. Artrageous, in FL, is another tall, leggy TB to look at. You might also look at the IHF stallion roster as there are a couple of TBs who are primarily used for hunters.

If you are wanting to show in Open “A” shows, I would lean towards a TB, if you’re more interested in showing on the AQHA circuit, there are some QH horses you might take a look at. I like the Sky Blue horses, though did particularly care for the one you mentioned (looked downhill to me), and the Luke At Mes have been very successful. There is also the Indian Artifacts line. Additionally, April Speyer, in Wichita, KS is an old friend and she has two lovely stallions who were both very successful as are their offspring.

Her website: www.prairiestarhorses.com

If she were mine, I would put her to a TB and then if it’s filly, maybe take her to one of the QH hunter stallions. I would not use a WB, especially a big one given how small she is.

Good luck!!! She’s lovely!

I’m happy to answer any questions you might have about Cyriz. There are a number of pics of his QH kids on his FB page. He has very cute grulla filly about 3 weeks old!

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I’m a fan of A Fine Romance as well. :yes:[/QUOTE]

I didn’t know if Fred was still available. If so that is a great choice. Probably as good or better as the imported Tb’s I referenced.

He’s not going to give you much size, I don’t think (still he’s a hand bigger than your current mare)… but aside from that, OMG I adore this horse…

http://www.sedgemerefarm.com/

seen him in person a lot locally. He is THE amateur friendly pocket pony pet. Jumps out of his skin with pretty hunter form over hunter fences, speedy around jumper courses, total gentleman and his trainer is a delightful person to work with. I seriously want one just like him. And you’d get AQHA papers if your mare is AQHA. He isn’t super highly promoted but he is an OUTSTANDING horse and to me everything a quarter horse should be. I cannot say enough nice things about this horse. He’s really everything!

vxf111 - do you know if he was shown under another name in eventing or dressage? I only ask because he has no dressage scores (nor does the rider mentioned on the website) on centerlinescores and the only eventing records I can find are Training level. He has shown 1.30-1.35 with some ribbons, which is quite impressive and I like the Rugged Lark bloodlines.

Not to take anything away from him, but it’s always nice to be able to verify information on websites…not saying that he hasn’t done all that’s listed just that unfortunately there are a number of websites that make claims that can’t be verified.

Sadly it looks like he passed away in Sept of this past year.
http://larksjustin.com/

I really like the look of A Chance for Romance. Also there is a son of Truckin’ Kinda Guy standing, Silverado Kind of Guy that looks nice. My friend has a nice colt o/o her TB mare by Its All About Blue, very refined and blood type.

Thank you Go Fish, sid and stoicfish for suggesting A Fine Romance, and for the kind words about him.
He is indeed listed with the AQHA.
A Fine Romance and I are now retired from active breeding, but I do have a limited amount of frozen.

OP - such a cute mare - good luck with her.
While I agree that sticking with a good TB is the safest option,
I do like Chaleon, I think it might be a good idea for you to give Matt a call and discuss your thoughts with him. He is a very honest stallion owner and would give you straight answers about his stallion’s suitability for your mare and for what you are hoping to produce.

I am sad to hear that Larks Justin passed. I only ever saw him at hunter jumper shows (where I saw him frequently) so I don’t know where he evented, with who, or under what name. Same with dressage. We do have a huge and thriving non-rated dressage community here and several nice non-rated eventing venues so it would not surprise me a bit to hear they did unrated shows since the main focus of his career was jumpers. Actually they did a lot of unrated H/J shows-- now that I am thinking about this.

There are photos of the horse doing eventing, with the rider in full getup and a number on the bridle-- I really kind of doubt they’re staged. http://www.sedgemerefarm.com/larks%20justin.htm Knowing his trainer, she wouldn’t say something if it didn’t happen?! It may well have been unrated, I have no idea.

Given that the OP wanted to do hunters, I have SEEN this horse do hunters-- that was the primary basis of my recommendation. All moot now, since he’s passed :frowning:

I, too, am sad to hear that Justin passed. He looked to be put together very well and he had a super jump on him.

It was clear from their website that he evented, and I found records for Training. And we all know how many horses compete in the US under names other than their registered ones…that’s why I asked!

It’s just one of my frustrations with the USEF that we don’t have good records on our horses. I was just having that conversation with my husband yesterday as he’s a computer geeks and then I saw the post about Justin last night. Was excited to learn about him and the records weren’t there.

OP has been given some great suggestions for possible stallions. Best of luck in your search!!! Hopefully, you’ll post pics of Corona and her foal next year!