I made a trail saddle -- short novel, lots of pictures

Nobody ever makes exactly what I want so I decided to make my own. I had done a few mods to another saddle a while back but nothing this extensive so this was my first run at a total rebuild. I started with an old Whitman seat because for my hiney they are the most comfortable ever made. Like a lot of the U. S. saddles from the early 1900s, it had an English-esque seat with a Western cinch system and fairly minimal flaps. The wooden tree is very easy to work with in terms of placing new hardware and that’s important because I wanted a lot of attachment points. I stripped it down to just the seat and started afresh.

I took off the flaps and girth/quarter straps and made a new system of English billets. Instead of canvas or nylon webbing I opted for a double layer of milspec 1000d cordura stapled to the tree with a pneumatic staple gun. The billets are of heavy latigo leather and each stitch holding them to the webbing is individually tied so if one stitch breaks the stitch line doesn’t unravel.

Because I want a close contact feel, I didn’t make underflaps or knee rolls. Instead I made a minimalistic billet guard which is sewn to the webbing. I made new flaps and cut them a little more forward than the old ones. The flaps are covered in pigskin for grip and wear resistance.

I put attachment points pretty much everywhere I had room. There are two footman loops on the cantle and two on the cantle fan. There are two forward dees and two rear dees on each side; however, instead of the traditional D shape, I went with a rectangle because I have them on my M1936 Phillips Army officer saddle and I think they look classy. There’s also a footman loop on the pommel but its only function is to hold the pommel bags in place.

Of course, a trail riding saddle needs saddle bags and of course, nobody makes the ones I want, so I opted to make my own. I covered them in the same pigskin as the flaps because of course I did. To not do it would have been too easy. The pommel bags are in the style of the ones used by military officers in the heyday of the cavalry and the rear bags are pretty much a knock-off of the M1936 Phillips bags.

All in all, I thought it came out pretty well for a first effort. At present, I’m horse-less, so it will be a while before I can really try it out, but I’m pretty happy with the result.










I think it’s neat, and I admire your ingenuity!

Cool! Looks comfortable, too.

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The old Whitmans had a moderately deep seat, a narrow twist, and a very balanced ride. They’re my all-time favorites. I have two more I may do some work on someday.

Outstanding!!!

G.

Holy guacamole, I think you and I are saddle soulmates! I’ve been thinking very hard about trying my hand at making my own. I’ve looked into going to saddlery schools which will cost me two arms and a leg and end up having a saddle that’s still not what I want, because what I want is more like what you’ve built!!!

Unfortunately, I already have the horse, and I’m finding that tree fit is a horrendous problem, so I’m even considering trying my hand at tree making. Part of me gets mired up in all the fancy high tech things I read online about the science of building just the perfect tree … and part of me thinks that heck the mongolians used to just hack together some tree branches and a lot of leather hides, and roll up their sleeping gear and lunches (dried meats) into the whole mess and ride for hours on it all.

sigh rambling rant over … I love your saddle and what you’ve done!!!

This is my all-time favorite saddle. I don’t know who the original maker was. The first one I bought was out of California in about 2011 I think, and the second out of Oregon last year. They were both older, and made of good quality leather. In trying to find similar, I kept buying ones on eBay and Craigslist that looked exactly alike, but found them to be much cheaper leather and different trees. Internet searching told me that Equiroyal (later JT International) made something that looked exactly like this, but had stopped selling it. I think those are the ones I was finding had the cheap leather and poorer quality overall. So I still don’t know who the original maker was of these very nice saddles.

Sorry if this was a bit of a hijack, I’m jsut so excited to see someone else with the same interests I have … but haven’t had the guts to try it yet. Thank you so much for the inspiration!!!

http://s107.photobucket.com/user/lady_mcse/media/Horsetopia/saddle2.jpg.html?o=43
http://s107.photobucket.com/user/lady_mcse/media/Horsetopia/saddle.jpg.html?o=43

PS - just one more, then I promise I"ll shut up (mainly becuase i need to go to work now …)

Just in case you haven’t seen this one … I think the Smith Worthington Miltary\Patrol saddle might interest you. It’s a bit pricey, but they will even sell a flapless model so you could build on it the way you’ve done here. Obviously not something you want to do today, but just sort of an FYI that they are out there, in case you weren’t aware of them.

http://www.smithworthington.com/index.php?p=product&id=536

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Holy guacamole, I think you and I are saddle soulmates! I’ve been thinking very hard about trying my hand at making my own. I’ve looked into going to saddlery schools which will cost me two arms and a leg and end up having a saddle that’s still not what I want, because what I want is more like what you’ve built!!!

Unfortunately, I already have the horse, and I’m finding that tree fit is a horrendous problem, so I’m even considering trying my hand at tree making. Part of me gets mired up in all the fancy high tech things I read online about the science of building just the perfect tree … and part of me thinks that heck the mongolians used to just hack together some tree branches and a lot of leather hides, and roll up their sleeping gear and lunches (dried meats) into the whole mess and ride for hours on it all.

sigh rambling rant over … I love your saddle and what you’ve done!!!

This is my all-time favorite saddle. I don’t know who the original maker was. The first one I bought was out of California in about 2011 I think, and the second out of Oregon last year. They were both older, and made of good quality leather. In trying to find similar, I kept buying ones on eBay and Craigslist that looked exactly alike, but found them to be much cheaper leather and different trees. Internet searching told me that Equiroyal (later JT International) made something that looked exactly like this, but had stopped selling it. I think those are the ones I was finding had the cheap leather and poorer quality overall. So I still don’t know who the original maker was of these very nice saddles.

Sorry if this was a bit of a hijack, I’m jsut so excited to see someone else with the same interests I have … but haven’t had the guts to try it yet. Thank you so much for the inspiration!!!

http://s107.photobucket.com/user/lady_mcse/media/Horsetopia/saddle2.jpg.html?o=43
http://s107.photobucket.com/user/lady_mcse/media/Horsetopia/saddle.jpg.html?o=43[/QUOTE]

Now that’s a fascinating saddle! English seat and Western skirts. It was common in the early 20th century for American saddles to have an English seat and quarter-strap rigging like that but I never saw one with large skirts. I understand the logic, though, and I like the idea. I am aware of the Smith-Worthington saddles and I would probably like them. I have a Bates Australian mounted police saddle which is very similar conceptually and I like it a lot. TBH, I have several saddles which are very suitable for trail riding, so this project wasn’t so much about getting a trail saddle as it was about making something that was exactly the way I wanted it. The original saddle cost me about $100, so if I screwed it up it was not a big loss. I have learned a number of skills I will now use on some other saddles. For example, I want to make a set of pommel bags for my Steele plantation saddle.

Conceptually, making a saddle tree shouldn’t be that difficult. The problem as I understand it is making one that will fit a variety of horses. The Mongols knocked one together out of wood and rawhide and rode long distances on it, but when the horse retired or died they made another one to fit the new horse. The military McClellan is sometimes maligned but if it fits your horse and yourself, you’d be amazed how comfortable it can be for both of you. That’s why the U. S. Army bought only horses with certain size parameters. It was easier to get horses that fit the saddles than to stock a dozen or more sizes of saddles. In theory, you should be able to make measurements of your horse, feed the information into a computer-controlled milling machine, and generate a wooden tree that’s an exact match for your horse. It would actually be easy and inexpensive for someone with the requisite skills. A lot of old Mexican saddles didn’t even have leather over the tree, nor did the earliest McClellans. The leather was put over the Macs to keep the stitching on the rawhide from rubbing holes in the soldier, but the Mexicans didn’t even cover the tree in rawhide. Again, I suspect the idea was that if the tree got rotten or the charro got another horse, they’d just make another saddle.

That is awesome. Just awesome.

Wow! You are talented!