So ive had my mare for over a year, and i just found out from her orgianal breeder that she can be registered as an iberian warmblood. Her sire is full Andalusian and her dam is a TB. So is she considered a Iberian Warmblood? i never even heard of this type of WB so i was taken back. So many types of WB’s
Everyone’s going to have different thoughts about this, but to me an Iberian Warmblood is just a fancy way to say Andalusian (PRE) or Lusitano cross. As long as your horse is at least a quarter of those breeds, it can be registered. It is a way to register/paper a horse, which is nice for age and pedigree verification.
http://www.iberianwarmblood.com/registration.html
I personally think to be a “warmblood” you need a studbook selection/inspection process. But that doesn’t take away anything from the horse in front of you. If she’s working well for you and making you happy, that’s more important than the rest.
This isn’t the same as what is traditionally called a WB as Warmblood. Those are European Warmbloods. To that end, I think it’s fine for these to be called Iberian Warmblood, as that’s the distinction - Iberian, as in Andalusion and Lusitano. It is what it is.
So yes, she is acceptable as an Iberian Warmblood. And I would definitely register her to provide proof of pedigree.
I have to given them huge props though!
“Iberian WB stallions at stud that are overo Paint/Pinto should DNA test negative for Lethal White Syndrome before breeding to overo mares”
Not even the APHA or AQHA or ApHA say that!
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Part Irish Draughts can be inspected but please don’t call them warmbloods. Many consider that to be an insult.
Many registries have a part bred book and registration can make a horse eligible for year end awards. The Irish Draught Horse Society (NA) will often give awards to the highest place Irish horse at some events like Rolex though I guess we cant call it that anymore
If something has an inspection/quality process, that doesn’t make them a Warmblood (or even a warmblood).
There are other breeds that have breeding quality controls in place that don’t have anything to do with Warmbloods/warmbloods.
But all European Warmblood registries have some sort of quality control for breeding stock, and then some don’t require foals to be inspected to be registered.
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As others have said, the term “Iberian Warmblood” is a colloquial term used in the US & Canada for a PRE or Lusitano cross (usually with a TB, draft, or warmblood). If they are at least 50% PRE or Luso they can be registered with IALHA as half-Andalusian. There are actually a few Lusitano stallions in Europe who are approved by a German warmblood studbook (can’t remember which but I could find out). Even then the term “Iberian warmblood” is not used and they are registered with the German studbook. All that said, an “Iberian Warmblood Registry International” does exist and it appears to be a registry for horses in North America who don’t qualify for IALHA. The horse only needs to be 25% PRE or Lusitano to be accepted and as far as I know there are no revisions or quality control - it’s probably there primarily to keep records of the horses.
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European warmbloods developed as army remounts / farm work horses and it is only post WW2 that they have been bred for sport and more ‘blood’ added into the mix. By contrast, the Iberian breeds have been bred ‘pure’ for centuries (hence ‘Pure Spanish Race’ PRE). Indeed, the reason why chestnuts were not eligible for the study book for years was because some chestnut Breton draught horses were used in the 19th century and thereby corrupted the pure blood. So I suspect that calling a ‘cross’ (a recognised and popular category) a warmblood would be deemed a bit of an insult by breeders Spain and Portugal. The brand on an Iberian horse ensures the breeders get full recognition for the quality of their animals. A different type of marketing.
Any form of registration is more valuable then no registration. So if your horse is eligible for papers and at this time she does not have any papers, I would say you are silly not to register. It proves blood, age and helps to add value. If she is already registered with some other sport horse registry and you already have papers, then I think you should consider whether her current papers or Iberian WB papers would be more valuable.
I always think of it this way - if I die tomorrow, I want my horses to have the best shot at a good life. So having a registered horse with good training and some exposure off property (shows, lessons, something) is their insurance policy for a good life. An unproven mutt that’s questionable in age and breeding and never left the farm is much harder to place. Its all well and good to say you’ll own them till they die, but that can’t always happen.
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This is also my understanding. The horse could be registered and breed show as a partbred just like half Arabs on their own Arab circuit do.
Btw it’s pretty funny to think of an Andy TB cross being called a warmblood because where is the cold blood to dliute two hot breeds?
Iberian sport horse might be a better description.
This is a very nice cross IME so enjoy and certainly register her!
I would go with IALHA if ypu qualify as it’s a real recognized registry with s breed show circuit and recognized by Iberian folks.
Actually while this sounds good, it reflects a misunderstanding of the genetics.
Frame overo is lethal white. If the foal is heterozygous for frame overo the result is an overo. The expression may be minimal, like a bald face and high socks. If the foal is homozygous for frame overo the result is a lethal white foal. So the breeding of two frame overo horses has a 25 % chance of a lethal white foal.
So all frame overos by definition test positive for lethal white and two frame overos should never be bred, period.
The horses you need to test are not the loud obvious frame overo like my mare. We know by looking at her she is heterozygous for frame overo and therefore carries lethal white.
The horses you need to test are frame overo with minimal expression that look like soild color. And also horses that could be tovero, that is both tobiano and overo, which can throw color patterns that look more tobiano. Also some sabino patterns can be confused with frame overo and the Spanish refer to sabino as an overo pattern even though it is genetically distinct.
Also given the predominance of grey in Iberian horses you would want to be alert to pintos who now appear pure white, like my mares half Andy son who is clearly overo when he gets a bath and the pink skin shows!
Since overo mutated in the Americas it crops up in quarter horses (paints) and mustangs but isn’t in European warmbloods or tbs who do however have some tobiano or sabino lines.
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Overo covers ALL non-Tobiano pinto patterns, not just Frame. It is sabino and splash and frame and white. It’s the APHA and their made up rules as to what constitutes “overo” which screws everyone else up. So much talk equates overo to frame, and that’s not accurate.
They really should word that much more clearly, but at least they seem to care about not producing lethal foals.
TBs absolutely do have Frame Overo. There are also WBs by registration who are frame, though I’m not sure of there are any breeding stock who are Frame. I do suspect there are a few.
TBs do not have Sabino1, which is the only currently known/testable sabino. They do however have many different White variants, one of which, W20, usually presents as what we have always called sabino.
IMHO, ALL horses who carry any QH or APHA blood, and certain TB blood, should be tested before breeding to anything that could possibly carry Frame. There are some loud horses who look Frame but aren’t. And of course, a horse can be totally solid and be a carrier.
