Hickstead’s dam Jomara was rather small and his breeder believed that she took her size from Ekstein because Fomara was big and she gave big foals.
However there are some smaller horses in the dam line of Jomara.
Hickstead’s success was of course due from his huge talent, good training but his incredible fighting spirit made him stand from the crowd.
I would try a mare with this characteristic and keep the size about the same, a smaller mare or no more than 16.2, a blood type mare.
Obviously, this thread is only about daydreaming. 
But I loved his style. The way he “attacked” the fences as Tom said it, his reactivity, his agility… What a fun horse to watch! :yes:
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I would try a mare with this characteristic and keep the size about the same, a smaller mare or no more than 16.2, a blood type mare.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I was also thinking one would need small(er), blooded mare…
[QUOTE=imajacres;5967600]
That’s easy lol NOT
You start with my Keur KWPN mare, Kebalia.
She is by Ekstein, out of the mare line that produced Hamlet.
I had thought about breeding her to Hamlet a few years ago to see what would happen, but they had never frozen his semen for North America, so that pretty well ended that right there:-).
Anyone have any ideas?, she is 20 in 2012 so only ETs, but it would be fun to try once! AND she is a tank, like her daddy, once again showing how Hickstead was NOT typical physically for his breeding.[/QUOTE]
:lol: You know, I might have to take you up on that offer someday…
Sooner than later, I know. 
You would be extremely rich, extremely lucky, and I would be extremely jealous:D
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That is like trying to create a Secretariat, it can’t be done. Horses like that are so much more than just a product of their genetics. You can set out to create a horse that is likely to be a very nice horse but the once in a five generation horses are a sprinkling of fate and karma and timing and heart that can’t be created on purpose.[/QUOTE]
That is so beautifully put.
Not that I want to discourage people from trying lol… if you only try to reach the moon, you’ll never get the stars. but if you aim for the stars, most of the time you get the moon… but you sometimes get the stars 
[QUOTE=Laurierace;5967654]
That is like trying to create a Secretariat, it can’t be done. Horses like that are so much more than just a product of their genetics. You can set out to create a horse that is likely to be a very nice horse but the once in a five generation horses are a sprinkling of fate and karma and timing and heart that can’t be created on purpose.[/QUOTE]
very well said…
If I were to try I would breed a cat with a racecar. Thats about as close as you’ll ever get
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very well said…
If I were to try I would breed a cat with a racecar. Thats about as close as you’ll ever get :D[/QUOTE]I love this.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;5967654]
That is like trying to create a Secretariat, it can’t be done. Horses like that are so much more than just a product of their genetics. You can set out to create a horse that is likely to be a very nice horse but the once in a five generation horses are a sprinkling of fate and karma and timing and heart that can’t be created on purpose.[/QUOTE]
Of course.
That is obvious.
The whole idea of setting out to try to recreate Hickstead is silly.
Hence us throwing in equally silly ideas.
Called it “bored on a friday” syndrome.
Tom, all the other pictures I have seen of Ekstein have been a much more hefty horse, was this one taken when he was much younger?
Whatever the case, Hickstead was still way teenier than one would have expected- the first time I saw him hanging out waiting to go into the ring at Blainville ( 100000 years ago), I wondered why Eric’s groom was dragging around a kid’s hunter at the GP ring, lol
And his full brother looks much more solid to my eye as well. ( granted one photo isnt really much to go on)
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Born in 2004… I think they got the idea to do a rematch once Hickstead started to get known. Then to use the name?[/QUOTE]
I know in the Zangersheide stud book full siblings of the same gender share the name. Just add the number to denote birth order. Such as Cassini I, Cassini II and Cassini III
[QUOTE=imajacres;5967600]
That’s easy lol NOT
You start with my Keur KWPN mare, Kebalia.
She is by Ekstein, out of the mare line that produced Hamlet.
I had thought about breeding her to Hamlet a few years ago to see what would happen, but they had never frozen his semen for North America, so that pretty well ended that right there:-).
Anyone have any ideas?, she is 20 in 2012 so only ETs, but it would be fun to try once! AND she is a tank, like her daddy, once again showing how Hickstead was NOT typical physically for his breeding.[/QUOTE]
I’ll play!
A nice Heartbreaker son, or Heartbreaker himself? That would bring Nimmerdor to the table, Padinus ads Courville also to the mix, and Harley is just awesome (one of my favs)
hmmm…Contendro I? What was the mare like to ride and jump…that would be a critical factor to know. Contendro produces typey and catty, wouldn’t count on him for sheer power though.
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Of course.
Tom, all the other pictures I have seen of Ekstein have been a much more hefty horse, was this one taken when he was much younger?[/QUOTE]
Could you direct me toward those photos? I owned the stallion for the last third of his life and I am unaware of other conformation photos.
I think instead you are extrapolating from your " n of 1" – your mare – and perhaps from statements by another person who never saw the horse.
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Out of curiosity, where is Hickstead II standing? I looked on the Zangersheide studbook and cannot find this stallion listed, although I had also read that this is the book he was approved with.[/QUOTE]
Full brother Hickstead II licensed by Zangerseheide, seven years old jumping with Joep Raijmakersin the Netherlands.
** CSI Bonheiden 2011 placed 5th in the two phase 7 year old class.
http://www.pietraijmakers.nl/paarden/hickstead.htm
We have quite a few fillies with the Nimmerdor Ekstein Ulft combinations. They are spirited which I like.
Pictures of Ekstein I found on the net:
http://nikistables.com/ekstein.jpg
http://hengsten.kwpn.nl/openbaar/abonnees/details.asp?onderdeel=fotogroot&lang=nl&knpnr=H0000002474
Thanks. I remember the KWPN conformation photo now. And the jumping photo is a favorite of mine.
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I’ll play!
A nice Heartbreaker son, or Heartbreaker himself? That would bring Nimmerdor to the table, Padinus ads Courville also to the mix, and Harley is just awesome (one of my favs)
hmmm…Contendro I? What was the mare like to ride and jump…that would be a critical factor to know. Contendro produces typey and catty, wouldn’t count on him for sheer power though.[/QUOTE]
Heartbreaker semen is just that- heartbreaking:-).
She did have a Heartbreaker son about 8-9 years ago called Waterloo ( whatever year was the W year for KWPN). He is in USA, and I dont know what happened to him after he did the young horse stuff.
The mare only made babies, but she had a few Liberos while in Holland, as well as Voltaires, Celano and I cant remember what else.
Tom, I have only seen 3 Eksteins. I have to say, in my eye, none are/were slight. Of course, every horse has a mother.
But looking at H-II, he doesnt look slight to me either. Maybe we have different versions of “hefty”
Who cares- Ekstein was a great stallion, why else would I be so happy to have a mare by him.
You sure were lucky to have him standing in your yard, Tom.
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I know in the Zangersheide stud book full siblings of the same gender share the name. Just add the number to denote birth order. Such as Cassini I, Cassini II and Cassini III[/QUOTE]
But in KWPN, horses are usually named for their year of birth. Hickstead 1 was called Opel at first.
So H-II was really a planned move to name him that.
Ingrid, thank you.
I responded to your statement about Ekstein because on the internet, in general, and this board, in particular, statements are often taken as fact even when they are wrong. Unchallenged, before we know it Ekstein will have the reputation of being an 18 hand Clydesdale. Don’t worry about it.
Tom
Does Hickstead II have any frozen just curious?
Kebalia
[QUOTE=imajacres;5967600]
That’s easy lol NOT
You start with my Keur KWPN mare, Kebalia.
She is by Ekstein, out of the mare line that produced Hamlet.
I had thought about breeding her to Hamlet a few years ago to see what would happen, but they had never frozen his semen for North America, so that pretty well ended that right there:-).
Anyone have any ideas?, she is 20 in 2012 so only ETs, but it would be fun to try once! AND she is a tank, like her daddy, once again showing how Hickstead was NOT typical physically for his breeding.[/QUOTE]
I think Kebalia would be a good choice or one of the mares in Tom’s stable in Ireland.
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