Which mare would you use and which stallion?
I was being a nostalgic fool and watchin videos last night. I loved his style, always had and always will. Not for the faint at heart, but still, he looked like such a fun horse to ride! (When you can STAY on him though! :lol:)
http://www.stallions-online.net/Nimmerdor.shtml
Here is some info Ive seen about his lines. I cant find too much info about Hamlet so here is Hamlets sire…
His dam Jomara (spelling?) apparently produced another international eventer that is full brother to Hickstead (Hickstead II) that is an approved stallion. Also a half brother in Holland Nieco.
It is said that Hickstead jumped like his damsire Ekstein.
I am just repeating what I have heard from people who know the jumping world/breeding far better than I 
Out of curiosity, where is Hickstead II standing? I looked on the Zangersheide studbook and cannot find this stallion listed, although I had also read that this is the book he was approved with.
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Out of curiosity, where is Hickstead II standing? I looked on the Zangersheide studbook and cannot find this stallion listed, although I had also read that this is the book he was approved with.[/QUOTE]
I was able to track him to Dutch rider Piet Raijmakers
http://www.pietraijmakers.nl/paarden/hickstead.htm
Any information on stud fee? Or any other information on him?
Born in 2004… I think they got the idea to do a rematch once Hickstead started to get known. Then to use the name?
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Which mare would you use and which stallion?
I was being a nostalgic fool and watchin videos last night. I loved his style, always had and always will. Not for the faint at heart, but still, he looked like such a fun horse to ride! (When you can STAY on him though! :lol:)[/QUOTE]
That’s easy lol NOT
You start with my Keur KWPN mare, Kebalia.
She is by Ekstein, out of the mare line that produced Hamlet.
I had thought about breeding her to Hamlet a few years ago to see what would happen, but they had never frozen his semen for North America, so that pretty well ended that right there:-).
Anyone have any ideas?, she is 20 in 2012 so only ETs, but it would be fun to try once! AND she is a tank, like her daddy, once again showing how Hickstead was NOT typical physically for his breeding.
That is like trying to create a Secretariat, it can’t be done. Horses like that are so much more than just a product of their genetics. You can set out to create a horse that is likely to be a very nice horse but the once in a five generation horses are a sprinkling of fate and karma and timing and heart that can’t be created on purpose.
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That’s easy lol NOT
You start with my Keur KWPN mare, Kebalia.
She is by Ekstein, out of the mare line that produced Hamlet…AND she is a tank, like her daddy, once again showing how Hickstead was NOT typical physically for his breeding.[/QUOTE]
Ekstein was like a tank?! I’m sorry but you are incorrect. Here is a photo of Ekstein:
http://morningside-stud.com/images/stallions/Eksteinconformationc_0.jpg
To my eye Hickstead took after Ekstein. And Hickstead jumped like Ekstein, Joel (Dutch team 2004 Olympics), and many other progeny of Ekstein. Go watch videos of Ekstein (for example, the video of Ekstein winning the 7-year-old KWPN stallion showjumping championship) and Joel and you will see what I mean. They all “attacked” the fences.
Google “Hickstead stallion” and then select images. On the top row there are side-by-side conformation photos of Hickstead and Ekstein.
Hickstead’s dam Jomara was rather small and his breeder believed that she took her size from Ekstein because Fomara was big and she gave big foals.
However there are some smaller horses in the dam line of Jomara.
Hickstead’s success was of course due from his huge talent, good training but his incredible fighting spirit made him stand from the crowd.
I would try a mare with this characteristic and keep the size about the same, a smaller mare or no more than 16.2, a blood type mare.
Obviously, this thread is only about daydreaming. 
But I loved his style. The way he “attacked” the fences as Tom said it, his reactivity, his agility… What a fun horse to watch! :yes:
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I would try a mare with this characteristic and keep the size about the same, a smaller mare or no more than 16.2, a blood type mare.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I was also thinking one would need small(er), blooded mare…
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That’s easy lol NOT
You start with my Keur KWPN mare, Kebalia.
She is by Ekstein, out of the mare line that produced Hamlet.
I had thought about breeding her to Hamlet a few years ago to see what would happen, but they had never frozen his semen for North America, so that pretty well ended that right there:-).
Anyone have any ideas?, she is 20 in 2012 so only ETs, but it would be fun to try once! AND she is a tank, like her daddy, once again showing how Hickstead was NOT typical physically for his breeding.[/QUOTE]
:lol: You know, I might have to take you up on that offer someday…
Sooner than later, I know. 
You would be extremely rich, extremely lucky, and I would be extremely jealous:D
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That is like trying to create a Secretariat, it can’t be done. Horses like that are so much more than just a product of their genetics. You can set out to create a horse that is likely to be a very nice horse but the once in a five generation horses are a sprinkling of fate and karma and timing and heart that can’t be created on purpose.[/QUOTE]
That is so beautifully put.
Not that I want to discourage people from trying lol… if you only try to reach the moon, you’ll never get the stars. but if you aim for the stars, most of the time you get the moon… but you sometimes get the stars 
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That is like trying to create a Secretariat, it can’t be done. Horses like that are so much more than just a product of their genetics. You can set out to create a horse that is likely to be a very nice horse but the once in a five generation horses are a sprinkling of fate and karma and timing and heart that can’t be created on purpose.[/QUOTE]
very well said…
If I were to try I would breed a cat with a racecar. Thats about as close as you’ll ever get
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very well said…
If I were to try I would breed a cat with a racecar. Thats about as close as you’ll ever get :D[/QUOTE]I love this.
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That is like trying to create a Secretariat, it can’t be done. Horses like that are so much more than just a product of their genetics. You can set out to create a horse that is likely to be a very nice horse but the once in a five generation horses are a sprinkling of fate and karma and timing and heart that can’t be created on purpose.[/QUOTE]
Of course.
That is obvious.
The whole idea of setting out to try to recreate Hickstead is silly.
Hence us throwing in equally silly ideas.
Called it “bored on a friday” syndrome.
Tom, all the other pictures I have seen of Ekstein have been a much more hefty horse, was this one taken when he was much younger?
Whatever the case, Hickstead was still way teenier than one would have expected- the first time I saw him hanging out waiting to go into the ring at Blainville ( 100000 years ago), I wondered why Eric’s groom was dragging around a kid’s hunter at the GP ring, lol
And his full brother looks much more solid to my eye as well. ( granted one photo isnt really much to go on)
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Born in 2004… I think they got the idea to do a rematch once Hickstead started to get known. Then to use the name?[/QUOTE]
I know in the Zangersheide stud book full siblings of the same gender share the name. Just add the number to denote birth order. Such as Cassini I, Cassini II and Cassini III
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