Please check these out. I know Lush is in Canada.
They are supporting An Anti-Hunt group who have injured horses, riders and
hounds in England.
I realise the Ban doesn’t affect you in the USA, but please help support British Hunting.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153870305996 and this
Paddy
NOOO!!! I’m a huge LUSH fan, why did they do this?! 
This is horrifying! I’ve loved Lush for years - going to write them an email telling them that, and that I won’t be buying any more of their products if they support this sort of terrorism. It’s one thing to be against fox hunting, quite another to cause injury to horses and children in “protest”.
I don’t really know how you can be surprised at this. It’s been common knowledge for years that they have financially supported such things from the get-go. Any group that “fights against the establishment” gets money from them.
I’m emailing them - customerservice@lush.co.uk
I was about to place an order with them but not any more.
Edited to add text of my email:
Dear Lush,
It was with sadness that I read about your decision to pledge money to the HSA.
I used to regularly buy Lush products, but will not be doing so in future. How very arrogant and misinformed of you to make this statement.
“So they have had to continue to go out week after week, collecting evidence and filming the hunts. They tell us that as long as the Law is not enforced through the courts, they will be out on the fields of Britain, monitoring the hunts and using tried and tested non-violent tactics to get between the fox and the hounds whenever they can. They don’t want to be there, but they can see that nobody else is doing the job.”
If the HSA were honest, they would tell you that many prosecutions have been attempted to be brought but that the vast majority have failed, because the law has not been broken. Nevertheless, the HSA and similar organisations refuse to accept the law of the land or the actions of the police or CPS and continue to harrass and intimidate because they believe themselves above the law.
What a shame that you have chosen to support them in this - it discredits both the ethics and the integrity of your company.
Nic Barker
Can any one cite some examples of what exactly HSA has done to hurt horses/people? I am just not familiar with them. Thanks!
They are here too; http://www.huntsab.org/
Many, many incidents of this type;
Violence flares at fox hunt
Published Date: 15 March 2004
FIVE people were injured when animal rights protesters clashed with fox hunters in North Derbyshire.
Police - already at the hunt because of previous problems - had to call in extra officers to cope with the disturbance.
One hunt member was arrested and has been bailed while investigations continue.
Two protesters were taken to hospital for treatment to injuries but Derbyshire police said they were only slightly hurt, despite hunt saboteurs claims the wounds were serious.
Demonstrators claimed a disabled man in his 40s was hurt in a collision with a huntsman on horseback and a teenager received a cut from a rider’s whip. But members of the Barlow Hunt, near Chesterfield, claim saboteurs assaulted three of their group, injured a horse and threatened children at the meet, at Rumbling Farm on Saturday.
They also claim another man was pulled from his horse and protesters attempted to drag a second rider to the ground.
A Chesterfield police spokesman said: "A sergeant and a couple of constables went to monitor what was happening.
"About 20 protesters turned up. They got into altercations. A couple of protesters got injured, but only slightly.
“One huntsman was arrested. He has been interviewed and bailed. Extra officers attended.”
The incident ended after police warned the protesters they were causing a breach of the peace.
Recently, 14 campaigners, aged between 17 and 58, were arrested “to prevent a breach of the peace” after disrupting a fox hunt organised especially for children in Chesterfield.
Kay Chapman, spokesperson for the Countryside Alliance, said: “This is the second serious attack in three weeks. The fact that these extremists made no attempt to disrupt hunting, and were focused on assaulting and intimidating hunt supporters, shows this is nothing to do with animal welfare.”
Don’t have time to do the research for you- but if you want to do a little digging, over the years, these idiots have sprayed caustic materials on the hounds, grabbed horses by their bridles and pulled them down, stolen hounds, vandalized and burglarized the homes of foxhunters including huntsmen, and terrorized the inhabitants of those homes.
Many of the offenders don’t even have an opinion on hunting- they are hired thugs, and do it for the money.
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Don’t have time to do the research for you- but if you want to do a little digging, over the years, these idiots have sprayed caustic materials on the hounds, grabbed horses by their bridles and pulled them down, stolen hounds, vandalized and burglarized the homes of foxhunters including huntsmen, and terrorized the inhabitants of those homes.
Many of the offenders don’t even have an opinion on hunting- they are hired thugs, and do it for the money.[/QUOTE]
We also have the ALF to deal with - having had one of their members hanging off my horses bridle, with a Police Officer videoing the inncident - trying to take action, unless there is an injury or fatality is futile.
I was told that this person could not be identified due to the number or Anti’s and ALF members out that day. I’ll never forget her:no:
Great, so you are against hunting/animal cruelty but are happy to swing your whole weight off a horses bit.
Thanks for the links EB. I can’t find the one that actually makes a point of targeting our hunt and then brags about it.
In the old days it was spraying Anti-mate and distracting hounds with a horn.
Now, despite hunting within the Legislation, it is the followers and their horses who are targeted.
Paddy
Never heard of Lush, but I’ll be on the lookout.
As for the bigger picture, I think that the anti hunting folk won because of the misdirection of the pro-hunting faction. Trying to sell hunting based on tradition and rodent control is never going to work when the protesters are urban and anti-establishment.
Try the "green "route. Preservation of habitat, open lands, ecosystems, etc. all at no cost to the taxpayer. If you can get on the same side of the issue as the conservationists and ecologists, the PETA-types will have a very hard time painting you as evil. Hope that the active fox hunters take this approach in the US before it’s too late.
Educate yourself Madeline. http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/blogcategory/rural-manifesto/
Hunts warned to avoid conflict with monitors
Charlotte White, H&H deputy news editor
10 October, 2009
UK hunts are being warned to avoid confrontations with antis this season after concerns that “hunt monitors” are trying to bait followers.
In a letter sent to packs last month, Masters of Foxhounds Association (MFHA) chairman Stephen Lambert said: “Their [the monitors’] prime objective is, without doubt, to inflame our supporters and trigger a serious public order incident in which hunting people will be shown as the aggressors.”
For the first time since November 2005, no hunt is facing prosecution under the Hunting Act, and repeal looks increasingly possible.
Antis, therefore, are exploring other ways to win back the support they have lost since the Act came into force, says the MFHA.
The Heythrop and Vale of Aylesbury with Garth and South Berks (VAGSB) has experienced an increase in activity by monitors, including Protect Our Wild Animals (POWA) members Penny Little and Peter Bunce, in the past few weeks.
Guy Portwin, senior master of the VAGSB, said: "The hunt has been targeted by local monitors about six times so far this season. Several complaints have been made to police by the hunt, including concerning the filming of children.
“We have stressed to followers the need for restraint, no matter how provoked anyone feels, and are pleased to report that followers are filming the monitors, making complaints to the police and avoiding interaction.”
The Countryside Alliance (CA) has written to the chief constables of Thames Valley Police and Gloucestershire Police pointing out the antis are pursuing a clear strategy of incitement.
Mr Lambert told H&H: "The antis of this world are desperate. They lost the moral and wildlife management arguments ages ago. Now they see that their only hope of wrecking repeal is to provoke a disastrous public order incident that they will try to pin on the hunting world.
“I am optimistic that the police are now beginning to grasp the picture and will play their part as much as they can to ensure that the next few months pass without incident.”
This news story was first published in Horse & Hound (8 October, 2009)
Well, Equibrit, that was pretty rude. I’m trying to keep American foxhunters from making the same mistake that the Brit hunters did. Which was to defend hunting on the basis of tradition and rodent control, the only defenses being put forth when I was in England in 1996. That the Countryside Alliance has figured out ther error of their ways in the intervening 13 years is a good thing. I was just hoping to prevent American foxhunting from following the disastrous path that you took.
But maybe you weren’t around in the 90’s when the initial virulent anti-hunting action was happening. For information on those times, I suggest you educate yourself.
Apologies for being equally rude.
Thanks for the Lush email address, I have just written to them:
<< My daughter introduced me to LUSH products for my birthday. I have been ever so happy with them, recommending them to all horsey and non-horsey friends.
And now, it seems that you support the terrorist anti-hunting contingent.
I have thrown out all the LUSH products and taken the time to call/ email all friends, informing them of your position and my own decision to rid the house of your products.
Really–you are an extreme disappointment to me. >>
I was not rude at all. You are clearly not in posession of all the facts, and it’s also pretty insulting to assume that American hunters share your ignorance.
I have been around hunting and hunters (UK and US) for the greater part of my 60 years, thanks.
Well, we’re contemporaries, anyhow.
Maybe you weren’t in England when the antis were warming up to get hunting banned. I can only report on what I saw in the English media at the time from the pro-hunting forces. Tradition and rodent control. No open space. No habitat. No green. A tiny bit on employment. A bit of angry lashing out on “we’re going to have to kill all the hounds and horses.”
I’m glad that the environment and open space and habitat and employment are now on the Countryside Alliance’s agenda, but I’m saying that if they had been considered 15 years ago, the ban would never have happened. And if the MFHA in the US is proactive and plays the environment/conservation card, the morons from HSUS and PETA will not have success here.
If that’s ignorant, so be it.
There you have it!
Um, actually, Equibrit, I think Madeline makes an excellent point. Both the American MFHA and USSA in my opinion need to give more emphasis to the fact that it is hunters (with guns or hounds) that do far more for animals and habitat than the PETA’s and HSUS’s of this world. That story doesn’t get shared nearly enough.
We’ll never convince the idiot antis and shouldn’t bother trying. But we really should be making every effort to educate the vast majority of reasonable people as to the values of hunting. Including, and especially, that we were ‘green’ when ‘green’ wasn’t cool.
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Never heard of Lush, but I’ll be on the lookout.
As for the bigger picture, I think that the anti hunting folk won because of the misdirection of the pro-hunting faction. Trying to sell hunting based on tradition and rodent control is never going to work when the protesters are urban and anti-establishment.
Try the "green "route. Preservation of habitat, open lands, ecosystems, etc. all at no cost to the taxpayer. If you can get on the same side of the issue as the conservationists and ecologists, the PETA-types will have a very hard time painting you as evil. Hope that the active fox hunters take this approach in the US before it’s too late.[/QUOTE]
Madeline, Hunt supporters had a multi-pronged approach to resisting the legislation. It was based on preservation of habitat, environmental issues, loss of rural employment and a host of other things as well.
However the voting populace are centered in the cities and this was merely a classic case of popularist voting and ill thought out legislation.
That’s why even though there’s a ban that hunts are still hunting.
Indeed since the “ban” there’s been a five fold increase in hunt membership.
Bonkers eh??
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Can any one cite some examples of what exactly HSA has done to hurt horses/people? I am just not familiar with them. Thanks![/QUOTE]
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"Three Court of Appeal judges ruled that farmer William Kirkby was acting in self-defence when he wrested away the bat and struck Harry Cross on the side of the head, fracturing his skull.
Lord Justice Judge said Mr Kirkby, 55, should not have been expected to measure the violence he meted out to 47-year-old Mr Cross with “mathematical precision” to comply with the law.
Mr Cross, of Halesworth, Suffolk, and his partner, Margaret Davis, were on Mr Kirkby’s land in October 1992 during a meeting of the Brocklesby Hunt, intending to disrupt it.
Mr Kirkby, who had had to give up hunting after a fall from a horse injured his shoulder, escorted Miss Davis off his land. The farmer had used “reasonable force” to remove her after she bit him and sat on the ground but Mr Cross, a hunt saboteur for 20 years, threatened to kill Mr Kirkby, said Lord Justice Beldam.
Mr Cross punched and kicked the farmer on his way to his car parked nearby, from which he took a baseball bat and from which Miss Davis took a metal bar.
Lord Justice Judge said Mr Cross “became abusive and threatening” and in a rage smashed the bat into the ground, breaking it along its 24-inch length.
Mr Kirkby was “thoroughly alarmed” by Mr Cross’s behaviour and asked a neighbour to call the police as Mr Cross pushed him into a hedge with the bat.
The farmer tried to walk away but was hit twice by Mr Cross, “who was looking for a fight”, on the arm and shoulder. When Mr Kirkby retaliated, he grabbed the bat and without swinging it or raising it above his head, hit Mr Cross a single blow. Lord Justice Judge said the blow was “not in revenge, or to teach him a lesson or give him a good hiding”, but the farmer had believed he was facing a severe threat of further violence and was trying to defend himself."[/I]
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