Imported mare name confusion

[Xanthoria]

A mare being imported was bred in Germany and is by a C line Hanoverian stallion and out of a Hanoverian mare. I have not seen her passport but know their names. The mare left Germany for resale in Ireland and the seller there picked out a name and added their prefix to it. Neither of these is a word starting with C. Irish seller says there’s no name on the passport but could be wrong - a C name appears on the rads as “patient name”?

If someone in the US wanted to show the mare and maybe in future breed her, would she have to have a C name, precluding use of the Irish sellers choice?

Is it worth getting her inspected in the US or is that something people only do when they’re getting ready to breed a mare? Or do it after foal is at foot?

Is video inspection adequate?

https://hanoverian.org/inspection-tour-general-information/

[Daventry]

It doesn’t matter where the mare is shown, the buyer can rename her and show her under whatever name they want.

[SusanO]

The advantage of presenting a mare before she foals is that she may very well score higher when she is younger and fitter than after she has foaled. And if you wait to present her she may not be sound ( or if you lose her before she is presented you could be stuck with an unregisterable foal.) I do think the German breeders go by life numbers so name changes may not be that big a deal unless she is already in the mare books.

[Xanthoria]

Thanks @SusanO - I could see how inspection at a younger age is advantageous.

So help me understand: the mare was bred and named in Germany and sold as a foal with her C name. If the buyer changes it, the passport? German verband? AHA? Maintains a record of the lifetime number and doesn’t care about the name? If so, whats the point of the naming convention?

[SusanO]

I changed my mare’s registered name before she was inspected for the AHS studbooks. I paid a fee and AHS issued me new papers for the mare. It was my understanding that once she was inspected and placed in the mare books I could not change her official name. I did not change the naming convention - her name still starts with an “R”.

If I were you I would call the American Hannoverian Association because I am assuming she was imported as a foal and has not been presented for the mare books. They are very helpful and are nice to deal with and more knowledgeable about the rules than I am.

[Willesdon]

All eqidae within the EU have to be accompanied by an identification document [aka “passport”] during their movements [this includes travelling to shows] and this identification document shall be issued for the lifetime of the animal.

There are 3 elements to the ID of the horse:

• a single lifetime identification document (the passport) including a narrative and a diagrammatical description
• a method to ensure an unequivocal link between the identification document and the animal: microchipping, DNA testing, retinal scans.
• a database maintained by the passport issuing body [e.g. the breed registery or stud book] recording, under a unique ID number, the identification details relating to the animal for which the ID doc was issued to the keeper who submitted the application for the ID doc.

Each EU nation is obliged to maintain a central database for all eqidae within their national borders. This is hugely important for animal and human disease surveillance, animal welfare, crime and fraud prevention. We had a scandal about horse meat in the human food chain a few years ago and it focused the UK govt enough to finally get behind that central data base.

The Irish seller should have the paper passport, the horse should have a microchip, the breed registery should have a unique ID number for that horse linked to the microchip. Changing the name and sticking on a commercial suffix to tempt a buyer should not alter the ID of the horse - because the new keeper should have registered the name change with the passport issuer.

The system works well until a seller fails to hand on the passport [illegal] or a buyer doesn’t change details of ownership [similarly]. Both can and do happen, obviously, BUT the value of the horse frequently lies precisely in the docs. Think of buying a TB for racing and not knowing what is under that plain bay wrapping or spending $$$$$ on a dressage prospect and not knowing to whom that plain bay is related.